Is Toyota afraid of GM?
I have read that GM is at the absolute cutting edge of battery and fuel cell technology. There could be very some interesting surprises from GM in the next several years, certainly if they can control union health care costs and start to invest more $$ into their vehicles.
It is amazing that GM can compete at all when Toyota pays their employees $27/hr plus a marginal additional amount for benefits and GM is saddled with $75/hr+ salary and benefits for their rank and file line workers. Imagine if GM could throw another grand or more into each vehicle it makes?
I own two Toyota vehicles (both Lexus) and they are great rides, but I've driven some very nice GM vehicles as well (specifically the Corvette, their new trucks/SUVs, and the new CTS). GM has gotten impressive lately.
It is amazing that GM can compete at all when Toyota pays their employees $27/hr plus a marginal additional amount for benefits and GM is saddled with $75/hr+ salary and benefits for their rank and file line workers. Imagine if GM could throw another grand or more into each vehicle it makes?
I own two Toyota vehicles (both Lexus) and they are great rides, but I've driven some very nice GM vehicles as well (specifically the Corvette, their new trucks/SUVs, and the new CTS). GM has gotten impressive lately.
I'm not buying the Volt idea. GM has done this same thing in the past. They build a lot of hype in a new vehical that will have world changing technology..... but they do it before the technology even exsists. The big thing with the Volt is the battery. GM says the battery is superior to anything else on the market. But the catch is that the battery doesn't exsist yet. They're selling an idea, Toyota is selling a product.
By the way, I don't like the Prius at all. Hell, I'm not even a fan of Toyota as a company. I think the only reason Toyots is such a powerhouse is because they market their cars correctly. I'm trying not to be biased, but I really think Honda is the best all around mainstream car manufacturer out right now. Their marketing just sucks.
By the way, I don't like the Prius at all. Hell, I'm not even a fan of Toyota as a company. I think the only reason Toyots is such a powerhouse is because they market their cars correctly. I'm trying not to be biased, but I really think Honda is the best all around mainstream car manufacturer out right now. Their marketing just sucks.
Originally Posted by QUIKAG,Sep 18 2007, 06:53 PM
I have read that GM is at the absolute cutting edge of battery and fuel cell technology. There could be very some interesting surprises from GM in the next several years, certainly if they can control union health care costs and start to invest more $$ into their vehicles.
It is amazing that GM can compete at all when Toyota pays their employees $27/hr plus a marginal additional amount for benefits and GM is saddled with $75/hr+ salary and benefits for their rank and file line workers. Imagine if GM could throw another grand or more into each vehicle it makes?
I own two Toyota vehicles (both Lexus) and they are great rides, but I've driven some very nice GM vehicles as well (specifically the Corvette, their new trucks/SUVs, and the new CTS). GM has gotten impressive lately.
It is amazing that GM can compete at all when Toyota pays their employees $27/hr plus a marginal additional amount for benefits and GM is saddled with $75/hr+ salary and benefits for their rank and file line workers. Imagine if GM could throw another grand or more into each vehicle it makes?
I own two Toyota vehicles (both Lexus) and they are great rides, but I've driven some very nice GM vehicles as well (specifically the Corvette, their new trucks/SUVs, and the new CTS). GM has gotten impressive lately.
If anybody can stand up to Toyota in this new technology race, I'd like to think it would be General Motors.
I hate the Prius (the South Park ep where they referred to the Prius as the PIOUS is pretty much spot-on.) People think they are hip and cool and saving the environment while going 0-60 in something like 17secs and taking up space in the fast lane, with their windows down. 
I don't mind them too much in the city, but they are shyte on the highway.

I don't mind them too much in the city, but they are shyte on the highway.
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Yep, EV-1 was way ahead of its time. Too bad they don't get as much credit for trying.
The Prius has a cult following. I imagine GM would kill to have that for a machine other than the vette or Escalade.
The Prius has a cult following. I imagine GM would kill to have that for a machine other than the vette or Escalade.
The EV-1 was way ahead of its time. It was a hard sell due to the fact that well...gas was really cheap at the time, hence no market. If the EV-1 was here today with up-to-date technology....it would be right there with the Prius being touted and driven by all the greenies clogging left hand lanes everywhere.
However, I think diesels are the wave of the future here in America. I am personally excited about the Honda diesel and will get one when it arrives stateside.
However, I think diesels are the wave of the future here in America. I am personally excited about the Honda diesel and will get one when it arrives stateside.







