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2019 Miata ND engine update - 181hp, 7500rpm redline.. your thoughts as an S2k owner?

 
Old 08-16-2018, 02:57 PM
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I just don't find the exterior looks of the latest model of Miata appealing at all. Older models looks much cleaner.
I didn't say this because I own an S2000. So there's no Bias here. It's just bad for my taste.

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Originally Posted by SaintS2000 View Post
Older models looks much cleaner.
NB>NA>ND> step van> NC

I'd have to measure but the NA & NB seemed to place the driver close to the center of the wheelbase, which I think is an aesthetic "plus".
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Say Chi Sin Lo View Post
New Miata engine? We don't know just how bulletproof it is yet.
Good point. F20c/22c is tried and true to be ultra reliable. Hard to beat Honda and no one else may ever.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jah2000 View Post
Good point. F20c/22c is tried and true to be ultra reliable. Hard to beat Honda and no one else may ever.
I can understand concerns with the tweaks, but the 2.0 skyactiv has seen usage in hundreds of thousands of Mazda cars since 2012. Not certain what the tweaks will do to reliability, but it’s not as though they are starting from a questionable mill.
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Originally Posted by Say Chi Sin Lo View Post
- The designers forgot about the rear of the car
- Factory suspension setup is not my cup of tea
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I just don't find the exterior looks of the latest model of Miata appealing at all. Older models looks much cleaner.
I agree, on the rear anyways. I actually love the front view and headlights... but the rear looks too "sucked in" and narrow. I dislike the taillights. Also, I wish the front fender height (from the wheel well) was more lower and sleeker like the S2k. Everything else is fine though. And, I really love the headlights and front of the car.

As for factory suspension, I think it'll be perfectly okay and awesome with stiffer swaybars (and stiffer springs if you want to take it a step further). The engineering involved with its' handling, balance and components were pretty intensive; maybe as much (or more so) as when the S2k was developed. They also left a lot of headroom and potential for suspension modifications/tuning because they already know it'll be modified/tuned by club racers and racing schools (as it's the most popular track car).

As Flyin' Miata put it, "if there was only 1 mod to be done with the ND, it would be sway bars." ...this will rid of the biggest-complaint with the ND from naysayers (especially S2k owners lol), "too much sway/roll, meh."

After adding only stiffer sway-bars to the ND, I would really love to see how that compares to an S2k. I bet pretty close, if not better. (it's about 400lbs lighter after all)
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Originally Posted by Nerd-Vol View Post


I can understand concerns with the tweaks, but the 2.0 skyactiv has seen usage in hundreds of thousands of Mazda cars since 2012. Not certain what the tweaks will do to reliability, but it’s not as though they are starting from a questionable mill.
But the application and usage are very different in those 2.0 SkyActiv motors. Yes, they have proven to be ultra reliable as well, but in the form of daily driven cars and most of its owners probably did not stress the engine.

Honda S2000's F20/F22C have a totally different application and usage. I'd imagine most of its owners have been redlining the motor left and right for the past 10+ years.

I have faith in Mazda, I have a 2009 Mazdaspeed 3 and that motor is strong and at 100,000 miles, I have not had a single issue.
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:05 AM
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Yeah I doubt Mazda is going to put anything unreliable in a Miata. The NA/NB are bulletproof as well.
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Originally Posted by Say Chi Sin Lo View Post
It's really tempting me as a someone who is looking for a new toy. Before, it was a no brainer to go with a used AP2 Honda S2000, but now with this updated engine... oooooo

(used) Honda S2000 AP2:
PROS:
- It looks better to me with cleaner lines
- No nonsense electronic nanny (pre-2006 models)
- F22C, still a more potent engine and proven reliability
- Suspension setup is pretty much spot on from factory
- Mid-engine (more so than the ND Miata)
- There's passion oozing through this car from the engineers and developers.
CONS:
- Same cons as buying any other older used car
- No warranty
- Difficult to finance, if not expensive
- Low mileage will cost almost as much as a brand new ND Miata

2019+ ND Miata
PROS:
- MUCH lighter
- Apparently, ridiculously good fuel efficient for what it is
- New car amenities, modern creature comforts
- Ease of financing, wouldn't be surprised if you can get 0% financing in the near future.
CONS:
- Updated motor is still no F22C
- The designers forgot about the rear of the car
- Factory suspension setup is not my cup of tea
- It's still not as special as a Honda S2000
Couple of things I would add.

In favor of the Miata: Better torque:weight, less twitchy handling, better steering feel (haven't driven one but judging from reviews and owning an S2k, I'm sure it's better)
In favor of the S2000: Zero depreciation!! The Miata will lose a lot of value from new (just look at the NCs selling for $10k in good shape). That buys a hell of a lot of S2000 parts/labor.

You mention cons of buying a used car and no warranty, but on the S2000 I don't see that as a huge deterrent. It's so reliable and simple that if you find a clean one (sure, easier said than done) and have an inspection done, you're most likely good to go. I bought my '02 with 47k in 2013 and sold (made a profit) at 70k 3.5yrs later having DD'd it plus 5 trackdays. In that time besides consumables (largely from tracking) I had the top patched and did the '02-03 fuel filler neck TSB for like $60. That's it. It takes a beating and asks for very little. The modest $900 profit I made covered all the maintenance and repair I did excluding tires.
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Originally Posted by white98ls View Post
less twitchy handling, better steering feel (haven't driven one but judging from reviews and owning an S2k, I'm sure it's better)
I was actually tailgating an ND just last night on the 405 freeway(highway) around here. I was closely examining the suspension and chassis. And, I noticed, its' suspension (though, I'm sure, more compliant and softer than the S2k) hugged any large humps/bumps/jumps on the highway very very well - didn't look too soft nor too stiff - it just looked very planted without any too-stiff-bouncing nor too-soft and slow undulation.. as where, I can feel my S2k's very stiff compression and jarring suspension as I followed it. I felt my car had less traction (only for a moment) after those quick bumps/jumps/humps. The ND suspension seemed like it quickly recovered/rebounded (which soft suspension is too slow for).. actually, it seemed as though it just glided through all the bumps/jumps/humps with ease or like nothing happened (so, not really "recovered" at all) without any post-soft-unjulation. Soft cars on the freeway (sedans, vans, suvs), had a slow recovery and soft post undulation. Stiff cars on the freeway (like mine, other sports cars or modded cars), had a stiff jarr to them). The ND seemed to handle long bumps like an expensive car.

I wouldn't doubt that the ND strikes a better brew for a more usable, enjoyable and balanced chassis and suspension than the S2k (both spirited street driving and potential track mods/uses)... 30 years of Miata R&D goes a long way. S2k only has -10 years R&D at the most.
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Old 08-21-2018, 10:25 AM
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This is exciting news, the Miata was on my list when looking, my biggest gripe was they didn’t have any nice color combinations. It is a roadster, it should have some nicer colors and better choices for interior as well. I’m really happy with Mazda this should be a winner for sure!!!
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