2020 NSX Type R
06-14-2019, 08:12 PM
#61
06-15-2019, 10:40 AM
#62
Good thing I used a subjective word like amazing.
Many of those cars aren’t truly limited production. It’s not like the 1M that stuck to a specific count. The TT-RS wasn’t hard to find, and the second gen had absolutely no markup unless you lived in California. Porsche (Definitely Ferrari as well) says everything is limited production these days and then always builds almost enough to meet or slightly exceed demand.
Ford GT is the prime example. S2000 CR was a great car. The first gen NSX, the Gen V viper, every lotus lol, 4C,
Again, go drive the car before you judge it. Going by sales and reading specs isn’t really fair.
Many of those cars aren’t truly limited production. It’s not like the 1M that stuck to a specific count. The TT-RS wasn’t hard to find, and the second gen had absolutely no markup unless you lived in California. Porsche (Definitely Ferrari as well) says everything is limited production these days and then always builds almost enough to meet or slightly exceed demand.
Ford GT is the prime example. S2000 CR was a great car. The first gen NSX, the Gen V viper, every lotus lol, 4C,
Again, go drive the car before you judge it. Going by sales and reading specs isn’t really fair.
im glad we all have these kinds of car option. If I was to spend 200k on a car I’d get the GT3 which I think is far more car for the money.
06-18-2019, 07:54 AM
#63
When I win the lottery, the exotic car I buy will need to be a real drivers car. I would love for that to be the NSX, but alas, thats not what they gave us.
The original rewrote whatit meant to be an exotic car by giving us something that was considered 'practical'. You could actually drive it around on a regular basis, and expect it to make it home on its own power every time. And for things like the AC to actually function when you needed it. Yet it was still exotic. This was a revelation for the time.
It also mostly looked the part. And was a blast for real drivers to drive it.
What seems to have not translated well is they seem to have tried to recreate that formula, only they misinterpreted the 'practical' aspect.
What they should have done is make an exotic version of the S2000 formula. Just substitute 'exotic' instead of 'traditional sports car', but otherwise same concept. Driver focused, responsive, fun, extreme, yet dd practical, incredibly reliable.
What they did instead was interpret 'practical' exotic as something easy for non drivers to drive fast. When they make a car that drives itself around a track faster than I can drive it myself, I won't want that car. I don't want the current NSX for similar reasons. I want a car rhat engages me as a driver. Challenges me. Rewards good driving. Makes me a better driver every time I drive it.
When they make that NSX again, that is where my lottery money will go.
The original rewrote whatit meant to be an exotic car by giving us something that was considered 'practical'. You could actually drive it around on a regular basis, and expect it to make it home on its own power every time. And for things like the AC to actually function when you needed it. Yet it was still exotic. This was a revelation for the time.
It also mostly looked the part. And was a blast for real drivers to drive it.
What seems to have not translated well is they seem to have tried to recreate that formula, only they misinterpreted the 'practical' aspect.
What they should have done is make an exotic version of the S2000 formula. Just substitute 'exotic' instead of 'traditional sports car', but otherwise same concept. Driver focused, responsive, fun, extreme, yet dd practical, incredibly reliable.
What they did instead was interpret 'practical' exotic as something easy for non drivers to drive fast. When they make a car that drives itself around a track faster than I can drive it myself, I won't want that car. I don't want the current NSX for similar reasons. I want a car rhat engages me as a driver. Challenges me. Rewards good driving. Makes me a better driver every time I drive it.
When they make that NSX again, that is where my lottery money will go.
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WolfpackS2k (06-18-2019)
06-18-2019, 10:32 AM
#64
I think you're very confused. The new NSX is quite practical, easy to drive daily, has great visibility, etc. That's why most people are buying them - all the positives of a supercar (power, looks, speed, etc) without many of the negatives (reliability issues, overheating, etc). Add in what should be typical Honda reliability and it makes even more sense as a practical supercar.
My question is, you said they didn't make it practical but you gave no basis for that conclusion. What makes you think NSX V2 isn't practical?
Have you driven the NSX? In my mind, if Chris Harris likes it and raves about its handling, that's good enough for me.
My question is, you said they didn't make it practical but you gave no basis for that conclusion. What makes you think NSX V2 isn't practical?
Have you driven the NSX? In my mind, if Chris Harris likes it and raves about its handling, that's good enough for me.
06-18-2019, 11:45 AM
#65
I think you're very confused. The new NSX is quite practical, easy to drive daily, has great visibility, etc. That's why most people are buying them - all the positives of a supercar (power, looks, speed, etc) without many of the negatives (reliability issues, overheating, etc). Add in what should be typical Honda reliability and it makes even more sense as a practical supercar.
My question is, you said they didn't make it practical but you gave no basis for that conclusion. What makes you think NSX V2 isn't practical?
Have you driven the NSX? In my mind, if Chris Harris likes it and raves about its handling, that's good enough for me.
My question is, you said they didn't make it practical but you gave no basis for that conclusion. What makes you think NSX V2 isn't practical?
Have you driven the NSX? In my mind, if Chris Harris likes it and raves about its handling, that's good enough for me.
remember, this is a Honda Forum. We are Honda fan boys here, not European fans.
06-18-2019, 12:30 PM
#66
06-18-2019, 01:11 PM
#67
Bottom line - if you're going to go toe-to-toe on price, you'd better make it an experience that the customer will remember and appreciate. Anyone can drive to a Porsche dealership and drive just about any Porsche they want. Tough to do that with an NSX...
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WolfpackS2k (06-19-2019)
06-19-2019, 05:55 AM
#68
Because its an Acura. Most people who are buying supercars want it more for a status symbol than a raw sports car. Things like Ferrari are more of a status symbol than an Acura, even if it is a really expensive Acura. Its all about the image, not the amount of power it produces or if a manual is offered.
06-19-2019, 10:19 AM
#69
Yup - poor marketing, not enough differentiation in performance, poor dealer participation and decision making (as others noted, they ordered cars with max options and buying customers wanted to choose their options), to name a few. Honda built an amazing factory to build these cars to customer spec and then the dealerships ruined that by ordering cars before the customers could spec them out. Also, many dealers aren't rated to sell the NSX (not every dealership can order them), so that hurts as well.
Bottom line - if you're going to go toe-to-toe on price, you'd better make it an experience that the customer will remember and appreciate. Anyone can drive to a Porsche dealership and drive just about any Porsche they want. Tough to do that with an NSX...
Bottom line - if you're going to go toe-to-toe on price, you'd better make it an experience that the customer will remember and appreciate. Anyone can drive to a Porsche dealership and drive just about any Porsche they want. Tough to do that with an NSX...
Ferrari has no Advertising.
Ditto McLaren
Ditto Lambo.
Yet they don't have any problem selling.
Methink it's not the advertising.
Any Porsche?
Last time I went to check out the GT3, there was not test driving. NSX compares with GT3.
try to get a test drive with a Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren. Same thing. Not easy.
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cbehney (06-19-2019)
06-19-2019, 10:21 AM
#70
Because its an Acura. Most people who are buying supercars want it more for a status symbol than a raw sports car. Things like Ferrari are more of a status symbol than an Acura, even if it is a really expensive Acura. Its all about the image, not the amount of power it produces or if a manual is offered.
they only stopped selling well after not really changing after 15 years, after the competition had moved on.