Camaro SS vs Mustang GT Track
01-05-2013, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ZDan' timestamp='1357299950' post='22245030
[quote name='NuncoStr8' timestamp='1357292339' post='22244958']the trap speed is in favor of the lighter, less powerful car.
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Of course there are other factors involved as well, but I presumed (big presumption apparently) that saying that "...trap speed should be slightly in favor..." pretty clearly indicates that it isn't *always* going to be the case, anyway.
I pointed it out for a reason - what should happen isn't always what happens. Sometimes you need to look at the actual data instead of relying on assumptions.
My point was simply that magazines and armchair racers make a huge deal about comparisons like this,
but people who actually buy the cars have different motivations. There are folks who buy either car who think they have the fastest car on the road. Those people are idiots. Then there are folks who buy either one for reasons that are not feature articles. Those people are enthusists.
I realize this concept might be beyond your intellect.
I did not say it was over your head - you opened your mouth and proved it.
I really want to know how you, who would never buy either one, can tell me, who looked seriously at both at one point and made a purchasing decision, can have the gall to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've actually put my money where my mouth is.
You, however, are notorious for not doing so.
Put up or shut up. And we all know you will never do either.
When I did "put my money where my mouth is" I put it towards something WAY faster than these piggies
Eventually I will stop discussing cars on internet forums, but for now, with posts as entertaining as yours popping up on a regular basis, how can I resist?!
01-05-2013, 06:23 AM
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01-05-2013, 07:18 AM
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I really want to know how you, who would never buy either one, can tell me, who looked seriously at both at one point and made a purchasing decision, can have the gall to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've actually put my money where my mouth is. You, however, are notorious for not doing so.
So, you don't have anything more to add than ZDan, if we're going by the "ownership/experience" rule.
Didn't we cover this before, when you were blasting people about making suggestions about a Lotus without owning one? Yeah, we did...
01-05-2013, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ElTianti' timestamp='1357330809' post='22246088
Just an FYI, the Mustang is the lightest V8, 4 passenger car in production.
If Toyobaru can make a modern S13 240SX with little/no weight penalty (FR-S/BRZ), Ford should be able to make a 3200 lb. modern V8 Mustang. Here's hoping the next gen is a big step in that direction
While I agree with you in spirit, keep in kind the frs is 25k and, despite people not blasting it since its not american, isnt exactly a benchmark of refinement with its plasticy interior. So I'm sure ford is capable of making such a car but the inevitable price of it and broad appeal may kill it; the vast majority of consumers in america prefer bigger cars all things equal. But I'm with in that id love to see it get a bit lighter, but mor e importantly remain at an achievable price point.
01-05-2013, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ElTianti' timestamp='1357330809' post='22246088
Just an FYI, the Mustang is the lightest V8, 4 passenger car in production.
If Toyobaru can make a modern S13 240SX with little/no weight penalty (FR-S/BRZ), Ford should be able to make a 3200 lb. modern V8 Mustang. Here's hoping the next gen is a big step in that direction
Wow, I want some of what you're smoking if you think anyone is going to build a V8 2+2 coupe that weights 3200lbs. The Ferrari 458 weights more than that, the F12 tops 3500lbs.
01-05-2013, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ZDan' timestamp='1357333859' post='22246205
[quote name='ElTianti' timestamp='1357330809' post='22246088']
Just an FYI, the Mustang is the lightest V8, 4 passenger car in production.
Just an FYI, the Mustang is the lightest V8, 4 passenger car in production.
If Toyobaru can make a modern S13 240SX with little/no weight penalty (FR-S/BRZ), Ford should be able to make a 3200 lb. modern V8 Mustang. Here's hoping the next gen is a big step in that direction
Wow, I want some of what you're smoking if you think anyone is going to build a V8 2+2 coupe that weights 3200lbs. The Ferrari 458 weights more than that, the F12 tops 3500lbs.
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It's possible. 3200lbs is definitely pushing it with all the luxuries people demand in cars these days, but if what Ford has been saying is true the new Mustang will be at least 250lbs lighter than it is now. So 3,350 lbs.
The pre-05+ GTs weighed under 3,300lbs. I have hope!
01-05-2013, 03:42 PM
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Anyone who is seriously looking at one of these cars for actual road racing is going to buy a body in white or otherwise gut it. People who are looking at bracket racing with a new Camaro or Mustang doesn't care which is faster, they care which is capable of the most consistent runs. And they are going to mod the piss out of it anyway, so stock for stock is meaningless.
These two cars are aimed at the weekend warrior who might hit up a drag strip or road course a few times a season. Or the Walter Mitty types who just enjoy owning the thing without really putting it through it's paces. Someone really into DE track days or autocross will replace the stock rubber in the first season so articles like this are really a moot point from that perspective. Entertaining reading for those who will never buy or drive one, but not applicable to real life in any way. Tire difference has been brought up already, so it's not like I'm the only one who rolls their eyes when people quote comparos like this as gospel.
I sometimes post just to see who thinks it's clever to take the time to rebut each individual sentence. Rather than restrict their comments to specific points of difference in the form of a rational debate. If you are having fun, whatever. Although your willingness to admit publicly you do not understand idiom and metaphor is, well...