GM and Honda...one more time
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,May 17 2006, 09:53 AM
I doubt any politicos would allow GM to become a foreign subsidiary - probably there'd be a gov't bail out funded by our kids.
Thats the US of the past my friend....
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,May 17 2006, 06:31 AM
Not gonna happen. if GM goes under, Toyota will buy ALL of it's facilities, technologies, etc, and thats the end of it. They will also employ ALL of GMs employees with a new contract. Toyota wont let that opportunity pass.
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"Honda will introduce its smallest hybrid car and a new diesel engine in 2009 (but alas, no diesel hybrid). The company sees fuel-efficiency as key to growing sales in North America and is also investing in more production facilities here.
The new Honda hybrid will cost substantially less than the Civic Hybrid, and the diesel engine will meet the EPA's Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards. Honda says it will raise its 2005 CAFE mpg of 29.2 by 5 percent by 2010. Some of the efficiency will come from improvements in its four-cylinder i-VTEC engine and Variable Cylinder Management technology that will each reduce fuel consumption by more than 10 percent.
The current sales trends could foretell a day when Honda and Toyota employ more workers in the U.S. than GM, Ford or DaimlerChrysler.
Found via the Detroit Free Press. "
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The new Honda hybrid will cost substantially less than the Civic Hybrid, and the diesel engine will meet the EPA's Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards. Honda says it will raise its 2005 CAFE mpg of 29.2 by 5 percent by 2010. Some of the efficiency will come from improvements in its four-cylinder i-VTEC engine and Variable Cylinder Management technology that will each reduce fuel consumption by more than 10 percent.
The current sales trends could foretell a day when Honda and Toyota employ more workers in the U.S. than GM, Ford or DaimlerChrysler.
Found via the Detroit Free Press. "
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GM will not go away, its that simple. Keep in mind that GM is still currently the biggest producer/seller of cars with Toyota on its heels; you just don't go from hero to zero overnight. Chrysler for over a decade laid in shambles (still do) and yet they managed to spark a small fire in the company as of late, desperation sparks ingenuity, as did Hyundai. Furthermore, GM is the largest seller in the Chinese marketplace, a market with vast potential.
As mentioned earlier, the two problems with GM (and the big 3 for that matter) are its management which is slowly coming around and the UAW. Fortunately for places liek Japan, with a culture of a high saving consumers/workers, the high demands of the UAW would be a pipe dream but here in America, UAW gets continued support by the American population. From an economic standpoint, the political pressures of the UAW is quite frustrating.
What's causing all this concern here in the US is the fact that once upon a time buying American cars was the established norm, you just did it. Consumers are now more educated on the market, more willing to stretch their budgets in order to attain what they want; a good deal now goes beyond the out the door price.
Also, just imagine what would happen if OPEC were to disband or the world understood that oil supply is not drying up...
As mentioned earlier, the two problems with GM (and the big 3 for that matter) are its management which is slowly coming around and the UAW. Fortunately for places liek Japan, with a culture of a high saving consumers/workers, the high demands of the UAW would be a pipe dream but here in America, UAW gets continued support by the American population. From an economic standpoint, the political pressures of the UAW is quite frustrating.
What's causing all this concern here in the US is the fact that once upon a time buying American cars was the established norm, you just did it. Consumers are now more educated on the market, more willing to stretch their budgets in order to attain what they want; a good deal now goes beyond the out the door price.
Also, just imagine what would happen if OPEC were to disband or the world understood that oil supply is not drying up...
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Originally Posted by yellow2001,May 17 2006, 04:35 PM
tell that to enron
GM will be around for a long time to come. They've been "going broke" for 30 years.
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Originally Posted by koala,May 17 2006, 04:43 PM
enron pales in comparison to GM's size and resources.
GM will be around for a long time to come. They've been "going broke" for 30 years.
GM will be around for a long time to come. They've been "going broke" for 30 years.
UAW and cars/trucks competing in the same segments are culprits, way too many models and brand IMO.
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,May 17 2006, 06:53 AM
I doubt any politicos would allow GM to become a foreign subsidiary - probably there'd be a gov't bail out funded by our kids.
Sam
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Originally Posted by BPUKiller,May 18 2006, 02:10 AM
Why not? They let the Germans buy Chrysler...oh yeah, they are white.
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And I think it is a bit shallow to assume any resistance to a Japanese company buying GM is simply racism. A very large portion of this country can trace their heritage to Europe, and are predisposed to favoring their cousins more than people who are complete strangers. And obviously, we are defining "cousins" here on what you might call a racial basis, but is that unrealistic or unreasonable? Culture-wise, Europe is closer to the US than anywhere in Asia, so which continent would you expect to receive more favorable treatment?
As there has yet to be any talk of such a merger, I think one is simply looking for reasons to complain if the unlikelihood of a Japanese-American auto merger upsets one.