Logical upgrade from my S2000?
06-05-2015, 08:51 AM
#111
I understand your fears of the NSX appreciating. That's what scared me in to picking up the Viper. I figured as it appreciates, I won't be losing much money on it. Other than my MR2 Turbo, ive always broke even or made money off my car purchases.
The reality is, if you wait 10 years, paying an extra $10K for an NSX is probably similar to buying one now and paying for insurance, tires, oil, etc... Because of that, my Viper search lasted over a year until I found a car with 6,000 miles on it in perfect condition.
IMO, NSXs, good condition FDs, Vipers, and MKIV Supras are all going to start appreciating. The formula of being iconic cars, many of them wrecked, many of them beat up and tastelessly modified, and cult followings will make them increase in value for clean cars. I'm still kicking myself for not picking up 2-3 E30 M3s when they were $12-15K. I could have easily doubled my money. I didn't want to miss the Viper boat because I think they will be in a similar position and more importantly, I've always wanted one.
It really depends on where you are at financially; but if you get a reasonably good condition NSX, Viper, or FD; I don't think you're going to lose money like buying any new car off the showroom floor.
FWIW, an LS powered FD is still one of my all time favorite swaps (or even packages in general) that i've driven on track. I'm a rotary guy, but I do love torque.
The reality is, if you wait 10 years, paying an extra $10K for an NSX is probably similar to buying one now and paying for insurance, tires, oil, etc... Because of that, my Viper search lasted over a year until I found a car with 6,000 miles on it in perfect condition.
IMO, NSXs, good condition FDs, Vipers, and MKIV Supras are all going to start appreciating. The formula of being iconic cars, many of them wrecked, many of them beat up and tastelessly modified, and cult followings will make them increase in value for clean cars. I'm still kicking myself for not picking up 2-3 E30 M3s when they were $12-15K. I could have easily doubled my money. I didn't want to miss the Viper boat because I think they will be in a similar position and more importantly, I've always wanted one.
It really depends on where you are at financially; but if you get a reasonably good condition NSX, Viper, or FD; I don't think you're going to lose money like buying any new car off the showroom floor.
FWIW, an LS powered FD is still one of my all time favorite swaps (or even packages in general) that i've driven on track. I'm a rotary guy, but I do love torque.
Don't think you can get anywhere near a 5,000 sq foot house in TX anymore unless it's in the some BFE town. Dallas is averaging about 650-700K for a 5,000 sq foot house in the suburbs. Houston and Austin are at least the same or more. 60/sq foot hasn't existed for a while.
Originally Posted by Billj747' timestamp='1433504755' post='23637108
I understand your fears of the NSX appreciating. That's what scared me in to picking up the Viper. I figured as it appreciates, I won't be losing much money on it. Other than my MR2 Turbo, ive always broke even or made money off my car purchases.
The reality is, if you wait 10 years, paying an extra $10K for an NSX is probably similar to buying one now and paying for insurance, tires, oil, etc... Because of that, my Viper search lasted over a year until I found a car with 6,000 miles on it in perfect condition.
The reality is, if you wait 10 years, paying an extra $10K for an NSX is probably similar to buying one now and paying for insurance, tires, oil, etc... Because of that, my Viper search lasted over a year until I found a car with 6,000 miles on it in perfect condition.
06-05-2015, 12:26 PM
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Cars are not in investment but with the NSX, more than likely you will get your money back with the possibility of a price spike like the 993 Air-cool 911s. You never know.
I bought my NSX at the recession period 08-09 but I didn't gain much nor lose much because I had to sell my S2000 below value at the time I picked up my NSX. One thing I saw is that there are more example of good condition NSX during the recession.
I bought my NSX at the recession period 08-09 but I didn't gain much nor lose much because I had to sell my S2000 below value at the time I picked up my NSX. One thing I saw is that there are more example of good condition NSX during the recession.
06-05-2015, 02:34 PM
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My logical upgrade is a Chrome Orange Lotus Elise. This one has 42k miles and $32.9k... This thing is better then a NSX IMO.
Seller has a hardtop GPW, wonder if he's on here?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...99690506&Log=0
Seller has a hardtop GPW, wonder if he's on here?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...99690506&Log=0
06-05-2015, 02:58 PM
#114
Cars are not in investment but with the NSX, more than likely you will get your money back with the possibility of a price spike like the 993 Air-cool 911s. You never know.
I bought my NSX at the recession period 08-09 but I didn't gain much nor lose much because I had to sell my S2000 below value at the time I picked up my NSX. One thing I saw is that there are more example of good condition NSX during the recession.
I bought my NSX at the recession period 08-09 but I didn't gain much nor lose much because I had to sell my S2000 below value at the time I picked up my NSX. One thing I saw is that there are more example of good condition NSX during the recession.
Also, did you mention you were in SoCal and could show me your car?
My logical upgrade is a Chrome Orange Lotus Elise. This one has 42k miles and $32.9k... This thing is better then a NSX IMO.
Seller has a hardtop GPW, wonder if he's on here?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...99690506&Log=0
Seller has a hardtop GPW, wonder if he's on here?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...99690506&Log=0
06-05-2015, 03:00 PM
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Elise's are fun, but are more difficult to get in and out of than racecars. I like them as "racecars for the street" but an s2k is a way better street/track car, staying somewhat streetable when configured to beat Elise's on track.
06-05-2015, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Zygrene' timestamp='1433474396' post='23636879
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I was in the same boat a few years ago. Didn't buy an 2002 NSX for $48K b/c the seller and I couldn't agree on $2K difference. Regret it every once in a while but life goes on. Got another car so it's not the end of the world. I still visit NSXPrime to check out the for sale section but given the price increase, it's unlikely I will be buying anytime soon.
I don't think 91 NSXs will be $50K. If they are, there are better cars out there for less money. If you drive one in 10 years, I think you will be disappointed - compared to the modern cars that will arrive at that time.
I was in the same boat a few years ago. Didn't buy an 2002 NSX for $48K b/c the seller and I couldn't agree on $2K difference. Regret it every once in a while but life goes on. Got another car so it's not the end of the world. I still visit NSXPrime to check out the for sale section but given the price increase, it's unlikely I will be buying anytime soon.
I don't think 91 NSXs will be $50K. If they are, there are better cars out there for less money. If you drive one in 10 years, I think you will be disappointed - compared to the modern cars that will arrive at that time.
I had a 987.1 Cayman S, and it was very comfortable, and very easy to drive fast on track. But it was the least reliable car I've ever owned. I only kept it for a little over a year, and I had over $5k in repairs. Thankfully, all were done under the CPO Warranty. That wasn't even counting the possibility of IMS failure. As others have stated, look at a 987.2 S model if you're interested in tracking it, or go for an R model. Don't let the temptation of a cheap 987.1 sway your opinion.
i love it here...expensive housing and all 
But the housing prices... so ridiculous. 300k can get me a 5000 sq ft house in Texas. In the Bay, 700k will get me a 2500 sq ft house. Luckily my girlfriend has a steady job too, and neither of us have any debt. It'll just take a few extra years to be able to afford a 20% down payment.
But then there's grad school...
Don't think you can get anywhere near a 5,000 sq foot house in TX anymore unless it's in the some BFE town. Dallas is averaging about 650-700K for a 5,000 sq foot house in the suburbs. Houston and Austin are at least the same or more. 60/sq foot hasn't existed for a while.
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Yeah, maybe in like 1998. LOL.
That said, Texas real estate is super affordable. $300k for a nice 3,500 sq foot house in the Dallas suburbs is pretty normal.
06-06-2015, 05:50 AM
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BOE REV300 and Penske DA shocks makes for a pretty compelling package.
I'm 6' and 210lbs, getting in and out is not bad, once you get used to it. Would not consider it "hard" to do at all.
06-06-2015, 11:11 AM
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You are a rare example. I'm 6'0" 170lbs, and have driven a lot of Elise/exiges on the street and track. They are far more difficult to get in and out of than a McLaren 12C, and most caged racecars that I've driven.
I'm not saying you can't DD them, they are fun cars, but an S2K is a lot easier to live with.
I'm not saying you can't DD them, they are fun cars, but an S2K is a lot easier to live with.
06-06-2015, 11:51 AM
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You are a rare example. I'm 6'0" 170lbs, and have driven a lot of Elise/exiges on the street and track. They are far more difficult to get in and out of than a McLaren 12C, and most caged racecars that I've driven.
I'm not saying you can't DD them, they are fun cars, but an S2K is a lot easier to live with.
I'm not saying you can't DD them, they are fun cars, but an S2K is a lot easier to live with.
Also the reliability concerns are overblown. I've had the car for 3 years (only 5k miles tho) and didn't do anything that wasn't normal fluids. A friend of mine did 2 years 20 k on his Elise with no issues either.
Btw the cam issue if you just check it every other oil change should be fine, the cam and rocker is like $250 in parts. Also let the car warm up before beating on it and you'll be fine