subaru developing BRZ turbo
10-24-2012, 09:11 AM
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I guess I'll believe it when i see it................. That would be one hell of a car! And believe me when I say I would be camping overnight to get one if they did get a turbo, I would never look back and trade in the S2k in a heart beat!
10-24-2012, 09:14 AM
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Schweet! Now we're talkin. Love the size. Love the weight. If they keep the weight down this car would be attractive with less than 280 HP. 250/250 would be just fine at the BRZ's weight.
I also love the direction that sports cars seem to be going in general..........finally!
I also love the direction that sports cars seem to be going in general..........finally!
- 370Z smaller
- Mustang smaller
- Vette smaller
- BRZ.....leading the way to smaller.
- Fiat/Alfa/Mazda cooperation on a new Miata platform.
10-24-2012, 10:03 AM
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I'm actually in agreement here... it's not surprising, though. Also, the jdm spec EJ220 in the STis were 2.0 liter, as was the 4g63 in the evo.
All of that being said, I'm disappointed with all this movement toward turbos, bmw with the m3/5, all the AMGs, base models, mustang, etc. etc. I still don't buy the "turbos are reliable now" statement. Every turbo track car has cooling issues and is overall more expensive to maintain and run. The f10-m5 went into limp mode during a recent magazine test at the track after 2-3 laps. I'm not a fan.
I want more RPMs. Or, even displacement ala Porsche 968 - 3.0 liter four banger making 250hp - with today's tech/direct injection, that's an easy 300hp.
NA for the track and for reliability. All these demands for epa numbers and maintaining performance. What real world data will soon show the epa with all these turbo vehicles is that everyone is going to hate how anaemic their cars feel when not in spool (which is where the good mpgs are measured) and will constantly mash the pedal to get get into boost, thus killing mpgs.
TL;DR - inevitable, and good move. Would have rather seen more rpms and higher displacement while keeping it NA.
All of that being said, I'm disappointed with all this movement toward turbos, bmw with the m3/5, all the AMGs, base models, mustang, etc. etc. I still don't buy the "turbos are reliable now" statement. Every turbo track car has cooling issues and is overall more expensive to maintain and run. The f10-m5 went into limp mode during a recent magazine test at the track after 2-3 laps. I'm not a fan.
I want more RPMs. Or, even displacement ala Porsche 968 - 3.0 liter four banger making 250hp - with today's tech/direct injection, that's an easy 300hp.
NA for the track and for reliability. All these demands for epa numbers and maintaining performance. What real world data will soon show the epa with all these turbo vehicles is that everyone is going to hate how anaemic their cars feel when not in spool (which is where the good mpgs are measured) and will constantly mash the pedal to get get into boost, thus killing mpgs.
TL;DR - inevitable, and good move. Would have rather seen more rpms and higher displacement while keeping it NA.
10-24-2012, 12:32 PM
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All of that being said, I'm disappointed with all this movement toward turbos, bmw with the m3/5, all the AMGs, base models, mustang, etc. etc. I still don't buy the "turbos are reliable now" statement. Every turbo track car has cooling issues and is overall more expensive to maintain and run. The f10-m5 went into limp mode during a recent magazine test at the track after 2-3 laps. I'm not a fan.
10-24-2012, 01:23 PM
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Oh absolutely. And it will last for about 5,000 miles. You are not going to get a factory 2.0L engine in a sub $30K car that can take boost to 400WHP, you did say WHP, and survive for 100,000 miles. But happy dreams.
10-24-2012, 01:26 PM
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Can't WRX's handle 350whp no problem? or are the suby engines fairly weak? I know evo's and previous 4g63 engines could easily handle WAAAY over that for quite a long time.