QUIKAG

Power is a factor on a 1.6 mile course. Closest around here is MSR 1.7. You don't think power plays a role on that track?

Power is factor period, it's just less of a factor the tighter the course (aka, super tight autocross course).

I'm just glad I've moved on from FWD/AWD based 4 cylinder sporty economy cars, especially ones that cost $35k+. I miss the good old days of upper teens Civic Si's with the good ol' 1.6 that revved to 8k rpm and sounded pretty good.

boosted180sx

care to elaborate on why? Just curious cause I really like the STI but never really owned one long term.

WolfpackS2k

I personally strongly dislike it b/c it's the heaviest Civic available (that's not what a Type R is about) and because (to me) it's ugly as hell, and even if some people do like the appearance, you're fooling yourself that it won't look dated as hell in 5 years, especially after the black plastic trim has started to fade.

I was a fan of the FoRS until I drove one. Hated the driving position. Maybe if I had more time I could get the seats and steering wheel just right, but I doubt it. As far as interior design and quality, the Civic Type R is actually my favorite in the segment lol. But never in my life would I buy something that ugly. It could hit 60 in 2 seconds and run a 10 second quarter mile. Do not care.

CosmosMpower

The clutch engagement was really piss poor, I adjusted it as much as possible , got a clutch stop and the engagement point was still all the way at the top. The gas pedal is hyper sensitive in sport, sport sharp but the car is very sluggish in comfort mode so no good settings there. The motor was pretty anemic for a 2016 sporty sedan, fell flat on it's face after about 4000 RPM. I was scared to tune it for fear of blowing up and being denied a warranty claim. It under steered when pushed hard, the infotainment system was sluggish and awful, the interior did not warrant a high 30K MSRP. Dumb kids tried to race me and a lot of the owners were flat brim hat, vaping idiots.

white98ls

...but other than that, you're saying you liked it? :P

I'll just say I have a lot of friends who have owned STi's, but few of them for very long.

Chibo

GT350RS

It takes getting used to...Eventually you find it though, and for autocross, I've come to really like it.

iforyou

Legit reasons for sure. Having said that, Both the FN2-R and FD2-R are both heavier than the regular MK8 Civic.

Also, I think sometimes things do evolve, whether we like it or not. Like you mentioned, the CTR is the heaviest of the whole Civic line up, but it also handles the best, with precise body control, sleek gearchange, close-ratio transmission, excellent brakes and still-brilliant ride. You know, qualities that are usually associated with Type R models. Having said that, not all Type R's are the samey. For instance, both the FN2 and FD2, despite both being 8th gen Civic, are quite different. The FD2 is a very hardcore track machine with very poor ride quality. The FN2 on the other hand has a much more compliant ride, but it's a much slower machine.

Other examples include BMW M, Ford Focus RS, etc. BMW M3 no longer uses bespoke NA engines. Instead, it uses a derivative of the N series engine with turbo. Ford Focus RS, after many years with FWD, went with AWD.

JonBoy

The driver that started in the K20 Civic is significantly quicker at shifting. When he was driving the K20 Civic, it was very, very close to the CTR for most of the rolling race. When he drove the CTR, it pulled away from the K20 Civic fairly quickly.

Very obvious driver difference there...

Chibo

I figured it mostly came down to driver weight.
It was just a fun video though, seeing how live the K20 Civic was on the track versus how composed the CTR was.