My friend has ordered the new Civic Type R and takes delivery 1st March 2007.

He wants to be the first person to supercharge the new model and has asked me to do the work / modification, get it into Banzai etc.

I am thinking maybe a turbo would be better but would like other peoples opinions on this?

CPL's Guy Chamberlain has had some very good results at Santa Pod this year with his turbo charged EP3 CTR so this sways me towards turbo however Ariel use superchargers on the Atom so is a supercharger the better option?

The new CTR engine is very similar to the last althought the v-tec comes in at different rev ranges. according to www.redh.co.uk.

Thanks in advance

Lloyd

 

Depends what he wants for the car.

If it's just a "first" then S/C will be easier as it's basically the same engine as the last CTR. So an S/C kit should be pretty much plug and play apart from mountings, layout.

If he wants something a bit rarer, then a turbo would be the way forward, but by all accounts is much harder to get right.

Personally I think S/C's give a better driver proposition, but depends on if you live your life a 1/2 mile at a time or 21km at a time.

 

Hmmm.

It sounds like (and im not being rude) that you aren't that up to speed on turbo / sc applications? I have no idea of your background in ths sort of thing so forgive me if you are an expert!

Your biggest problem wanting to be the first imo, will be engine management. Do Hondata or any other outfit currently support an ECU for the new Type R? I would doubt it and that will be completely essential for turbo, and quite probably for SC.

Further to that, does anyone make an S/C will bracket fitment for the new car? They have to be supremely accurate and incorporate all the pullies etc. I dont mention turbo here as they are easier accomodated.

The trouble is with brand new models, is that there are often a lot of unknowns. take the new S2000 for example, a lot of the SC manufaturers are taking a while to figure out how best to deal with the drive by wire, and I believe the car has no MAP sensor?

For example, does the CTR use a MAP or a MAF sensor on the new model and is it capable of seein +ve boost pressure. What size (flow / pressure) fuel pump does the new model have? Will that take a S/C and what psi can you go to? What type of pistons does the engine have? They are probably cast, maybe forged, I dont know. What power can the crank handle? This sort of thing affects your turbo vs sc decision, and whether you need to go internal or not. Where will you take oil feed and return from?

The way I would look at it, is what do you want from the car? Do you want something purely to get into a magazine, or does the guy want huge power, drag racing, track stuff etc etc.

Supercharging is less stressful for the engine, lower temps and smoother more linear delivery, and keeps the engines character, but you dont get huge amounts of power. Turbo applications are more tricky and need more hardware. You will need new manifold, a front or topmount intercooler, bigger injectors, fuel pump and definately standalone management or Hondata.

You really need to undersatand all the ins and outs of the engine and how its management works, things are getting much more complex now.

Speaking as an engineer, thats how I look at things - but hats off to you if you go for it Certainly a great project and the sort of thing I would love to do if I didnt have a day job.

I would not expect any quick results, and would reckon on a couple of months alone for research.

MB

 

PS - if you are doing this under the guise of your company name, you need to be v careful reputation wise.

It will need to be very much a "proper job" or you will get ripped to shreds. Careful selection of parts and the design is essential.

Lastly, clearly he has no regard for his warranty?!

MB

 

Thanks MB, you know your stuff

He wants it to be the first person to do a big mod on the new car and get some recognition from it but I know him well, the car will certainly be put through its paces when done.

After reading your input I am now leaning towards SC for the less hassle factor.

I do have a motorsport engineer who operates next door, he loves to take on the bracket side of it, show him whats what and he will produce it like it came from Honda that way.

As you said this one is all about the forward thinking and preparation more than the job itself..

I will call Greddy in the new year and see what they recommend.

I can not find anyone who has put their mits on this model mechanically anywhere in the world as of yet.

 

No probs Lloyd.

I think the SC is the best bet too. You dont really have to go internal then, and keeps the revvy nature. It will also still be mad enough to get a feature for sure.

If the engine is per the K20A that already exists (I havent got a clue) then you can easily fit one as the bracket to block arrangement will still be the same as some of the existing SC products for the K20. You will only have to check the space available in the engine bay, and how the afterccoler will go into the bumper (if you use one) There are already SC's available for the K20 (as you know) so you dont have to worry much if the engine is the same! All the gearing and pulley size in the S/C will be setup ready to go.

I think then your only challenge will be the engine management. I suspect the ECU will be different, but if not, then another winner there too.

MB

 

New engine.

MB

 

Where did you nab that picture from?

 

Old one.

MB

 

Pretty sure this is a new 06 one too.

MB