I agree with Ron; one has to look out for the workforce, but by creating false obstruction for political purposes, the drips in power cause problems.

Anyone in a car holding up wagons limited to 56 is too sclerotic to have a driving licence. And if LJKS could make an Austin 7 go faster, so can its current owner!

And something needs to be done about TDS reptile twats who race off up the arse of the car in front and then slam on the brakes, for no obvious reason. Give them a MK1 Golf 1500 Diesel, I reckon.

 

One sees these kind of warnings often on the M25 late at night. Usually there are some workers around, but sometimes they are running late and so the warning signs are not needed. The sugn people are told that workforce will begin at 11pm so switch the signs on, workforce arrives at 11.30 having had a cup of tea first and so people get false warnings for 30 mins.

I suspect the warning signs have to go on early for 'elfn but it does result in peole ignoring them.

Unfortunately, the best way to improve driving and traffic flow (TDS reptiles etc, is to lower everyone to the lowest common denominator with an enforced speed limit that's low enough for the lowest common denominator to cope with.

The best thing to do is to avoid motorways wherever possible. I can usually get homwe late at night just as quickly on the back roads as I can on the motorway - it's a shorter route but the speeds are not that much lower

 

I do that too!

 

Did you click my link?
There are LOADS of none motorway permanent sites and these do not include the TASCAR "flow control" systems on the M42 and M25

A77 Ayr to Stranraer
Permanent Site
Strathclyde Safety Camera Partnership (LIVE)

A1 Newry
Permanent site
Rural national speed limit single and dual carriageway. (LIVE)

A616 - 60mph
Permanent Site
Highways Agency and South Yorkshire Safety Camera Partnership (LIVE)

A610 - 40mph

 

I think we have a grammar issue here. If we rewrite Gareth's comment as follows:

We can see that you are both saying the same thing. Gareth was not referring to non-motorway camera sites at all (I think)

 

Which was the chicken and the egg.

The 50 was introduced at the same time as the cameras coincidetially

 

you should see it when we do m60ring at night, 140+ down to 50 then flat out

 

You see that a lot if you travel on the motorways in the late evening, as I've had to.

For safety and for congestion reasons, the workers can only start to put the cones out when the traffic density has gone below a certain level, usually late evening, sometimes early hours of the morning, for some of the busier motorways. When they do start they put the warning signs out first with the speed limit, then the lane restriction countdown markers; 1mile, 800yards, 600yards etc...then they start laying the cones to close the lane. They then reverse the process when they remove the cones.
So there are significant periods of time, when the signs are out but there are no cones. So everyone pulls over to the indicated lane and there is a free lane to go sailing through without hinderance!

In the quoted example, it was electronic signs but the principal is the same, they were probably waiting for the traffic to get to a light density before they started laying cones, or sending along the trucks with the big flashing yellow lights and a keep left sign on the back.

 

"Lovegroova's right of course"

Thanks.

 

hardshoulder use seemed to of worked fine when i worked in brum, along the m42.
they had relief areas (like those you see on A/B roads) every 500-1000yrds and they will close the lane quickly if there is a stranded car.

i can understand motorways though that dont have such relief areas, with it being of safety concern