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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 12:11 PM
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I was chatting with a guy last night who is high up in Land Rover, he said that the S2000 is the official benchmark for Land Rover / Range Rovers quality.

Impressive.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Surely any one in a Land Rover is high up?

I suspect the S2000 is used as benchmark for many companies, having one the JD power survey for so many years in a row.
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Six,Dec 17 2007, 09:11 PM
I was chatting up a guy last night who is high up in Land Rover.
Are we supposed to be shocked?

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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 12:51 AM
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Cue all new Land Rovers having crap timing chain tensioners.

And weak gearboxes.

And dodgy suspension bushes.





Maybe we should start a rumour on the Landy forums about geometry too




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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Six,Dec 17 2007, 09:11 PM
I was chatting with a guy last night who is high up in Land Rover, he said that the S2000 is the official benchmark for Land Rover / Range Rovers quality.

Impressive.
I don't see why?

Yes the S2000 is a great sports car, but if Land Rover and Range Rover are trying to use that as a benchmark then surely they're looking at the wrong target market?

OK, so what about build quality? Well, concerning the interior my dashboard wobbles if you push it, the dash illumination is brighter on one side of the steering wheel to the other, the leather creeks (particularly where the seat belt touches it) and there's no storage space. So I'd say it can't be that either.

Given the number of customer service woes on here it can't be the quality of the dealerships, nor the aftersales experience... So it must be the exterior or the engine I suppose?

I genuinely don't see why they're using the S as a benchmark!

(Despite all this, I love my S )
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:34 AM
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I don't think you understand what is meant by build quality; a lot of that is perceived quality.

Take an S2000 apart; they are superbly designed & assembled and vastly superior to some of the supposedly German rubbish with which they're allegedly competing.
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:58 AM
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Maybe it is because of the S2000's amazing reliability, as far as I know the S2000 still has the title of the most reliable sports car in the world.
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Dec 18 2007, 10:34 AM
I don't think you understand what is meant by build quality; a lot of that is perceived quality.

Take an S2000 apart; they are superbly designed & assembled and vastly superior to some of the supposedly German rubbish with which they're allegedly competing.
According to whom? As a consumer, if I went into a land rover dealership and found that the dash wobbled, that everything creaked etc., then I'd be walking straight back out talking about "shoddy build quality" - regardless of what was going on under the hood.

Yes, take an S apart and I'm sure they're an absolute masterpiece - how many consumers actually do that though?

So, who are land rover trying to impress? Consumers or mechanics?
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Six,Dec 18 2007, 10:58 AM
Maybe it is because of the S2000's amazing reliability, as far as I know the S2000 still has the title of the most reliable sports car in the world.
You could be onto something there

How much of that is actual reliability and how much is perceived reliability though (similar to Nick's post above) - with all the MAP whacks and seized wotsits etc. - are we owners at fault for always getting it to the top of the JD Power charts every year, and now Land Rover assume that's what they need to aim for??
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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Tis true, when they were developing the XK they bought 4 S2000's tested the and took them to bits to emulate as they were seen as the benchmark - that is a Jaguar fact

edit - Jag not Landrover/Range Rover
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