F1: Japan
Originally Posted by Dembo,Oct 14 2008, 11:32 AM
Despite what the cynics might think, no driver would deliberately try to take out their rival as the risk to their own race and own car is too great.
Now that we (UK tax payers) own most of RBS do we get free tickets to the F1 as we are major sponsors of the Williams team 
http://www.williamsf1.com/team/partners

http://www.williamsf1.com/team/partners
FOM have released some video showing extra camera angles of the incidents:
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...8/10/8530.html
None of that changes my mind about it all. The first penalty was extremely harsh. The second, watching the onboard footage from Massa in particular, looks like he was trying to avoid the collision and but ran out of road (and so front end grip), and the third, completely and utterly Massa's fault.
The other interesting thing as some had mentioned is we see Hamilton get taken by Kubica at the start with Alonso alongside, but Hamilton should have been third. So how did he end up behind the Ferraris? I can only guess he made some mistake at the next corner.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...8/10/8530.html
None of that changes my mind about it all. The first penalty was extremely harsh. The second, watching the onboard footage from Massa in particular, looks like he was trying to avoid the collision and but ran out of road (and so front end grip), and the third, completely and utterly Massa's fault.
The other interesting thing as some had mentioned is we see Hamilton get taken by Kubica at the start with Alonso alongside, but Hamilton should have been third. So how did he end up behind the Ferraris? I can only guess he made some mistake at the next corner.
Originally Posted by Dembo,Oct 14 2008, 08:27 PM
The other interesting thing as some had mentioned is we see Hamilton get taken by Kubica at the start with Alonso alongside, but Hamilton should have been third. So how did he end up behind the Ferraris? I can only guess he made some mistake at the next corner.
Strange one and no tv footage to date.
He made a complete arse of the corner, so by the time he stopped understeering on tyres shaped like a 50p piece he was never going to have the same momentum as Kubica or Alonso as they brushed past at turn 2.
Originally Posted by Bada Bing!,Oct 14 2008, 09:59 PM
He made a complete arse of the corner, so by the time he stopped understeering on tyres shaped like a 50p piece he was never going to have the same momentum as Kubica or Alonso as they brushed past at turn 2.
I saw footage repeated, but then I watched the race at silly o'clock in the morning, he simply ran wide and others who had engaged 1st gear and brain at the start simply drove inside him.
C'mon Kubica.
C'mon Kubica.







