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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Oct 14 2008, 11:32 AM
Despite what the cynics might think, no driver would deliberately try to take out their rival as the risk to their own race and own car is too great.
That goes against what you hear Brundle saying from time to time when he comments that if he was driving he would have given another car a bit of a punt to see what happens.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 06:48 AM
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Now that we (UK tax payers) own most of RBS do we get free tickets to the F1 as we are major sponsors of the Williams team

http://www.williamsf1.com/team/partners
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 12:27 PM
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FOM have released some video showing extra camera angles of the incidents:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...8/10/8530.html

None of that changes my mind about it all. The first penalty was extremely harsh. The second, watching the onboard footage from Massa in particular, looks like he was trying to avoid the collision and but ran out of road (and so front end grip), and the third, completely and utterly Massa's fault.

The other interesting thing as some had mentioned is we see Hamilton get taken by Kubica at the start with Alonso alongside, but Hamilton should have been third. So how did he end up behind the Ferraris? I can only guess he made some mistake at the next corner.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Oct 14 2008, 08:27 PM
The other interesting thing as some had mentioned is we see Hamilton get taken by Kubica at the start with Alonso alongside, but Hamilton should have been third. So how did he end up behind the Ferraris? I can only guess he made some mistake at the next corner.
I was wondering the same, I think Bigfecker may have posted about it too.

Strange one and no tv footage to date.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 01:59 PM
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He made a complete arse of the corner, so by the time he stopped understeering on tyres shaped like a 50p piece he was never going to have the same momentum as Kubica or Alonso as they brushed past at turn 2.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing!,Oct 14 2008, 09:59 PM
He made a complete arse of the corner, so by the time he stopped understeering on tyres shaped like a 50p piece he was never going to have the same momentum as Kubica or Alonso as they brushed past at turn 2.
That's not what's missing though, he goes from being in 3rd behind Kubica and Alonso to being in 7th or so behind Massa and Raikonnen. There is a bit missing from the tv footage.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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That's when the FIA retarded the ignition on his standard ECU, like they did at Brazil '07 say the tin foil hat brigade.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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I saw footage repeated, but then I watched the race at silly o'clock in the morning, he simply ran wide and others who had engaged 1st gear and brain at the start simply drove inside him.
C'mon Kubica.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 09:00 AM
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Decent footage of the start here - http://www.formula1.com/services/play_video.html
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