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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 02:33 AM
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It was a daft move, I maintain that.

I pay less tax as a result and where I used to work they struggle and use IBM, UST etc. That cash mostly flows straight out of the UK and costs more so stifles innovation
But hey ho, you can add it to such a long list of ****ups from Boris et Al that all Starmer has to do in order to get elected is keep schtum
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
I'm pretty sure most of the whinging is coming from the IR35 beneficiaries, it certainly is on this thread
No, I think you misunderstand IR35. The beneficiaries of IR35 are the big consultancies (in our world, IT). The losers are major companies and of course the IT workers themselves., independent freelance workers who had the choice to forego paid sickness leave and other benefits of being full time employees. Major companies have (had) an alternative, easy to dispose of, resource for short term/one off projects. One which furthermore was often better skilled and more productive than in-house resource. Certainly if a freelance contractor failed to come up with the goodies it was 'the door is this way' without any problems of unfair/constructive dismissal etc

In the case of HGV drivers it is WE the general public who are the major losers. It is an unintended consequence of implementing IR35 that this has led to/accelerated the HGV driver shortage. HGV drivers were often hired on as freelancers so they could be and were easily disposable. Back-fired hasn't it ...

The other unintended consequence will be increased transport wages/costs which will come through as increased prices/inflation. Already happening.
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 03:44 AM
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I was looking for a new job recently, and there were loads of short term contracts on offer (both inside and outside of IR35).

This fuel crisis is mostly down to stupidity/sheep behaviour.
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
I was looking for a new job recently, and there were loads of short term contracts on offer (both inside and outside of IR35).
Good to hear that. TBH my career took another route after IR35 v.1 first came in about what 20 years back.

I'd had a good ten years since the P45 from Deloitte in the slump. Can't complain.

For my sins I was invited to train in school to be a teacher.

Them as can, do, them as can't ...
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 03:09 PM
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Inside IR35 is just not attractive to anyone sensible
You take the risk, Rishi spends the tax with his mates?

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ISA all the way for me. Retire, pay no tax, leave the idiots to idiocy

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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 08:07 AM
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Where are the sunny uplands we were promised after Brexit? Seems to be a snafu pretty much every day. Except for the vaccines, but UK could have gone on their own with that inside EU, which was done because the decision was taken before 1st Jan 2021...
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 11:25 AM
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Why does everyone hark back to Brexit? A lot of shit has come down since then.

What has driven cheap freelance labour away is IR35. They can no longer avoid HMRC 's sticky clutches with employers ruling they are within IR35. it means having to pay employers and well as employees NI contributions and to pay PAYE tax on gross (company) income. So cheap easily disposed of drivers all baled out and returned to their home countries. Which seem to have their own HGV shortages anyway. Brexit is neither here nor there: if the idiot Tories hadn't caved to big consultancies' bidding and jumped on independent freelancers trading as a Ltd Co'y this wouldn't be as bad. Those same pusillanimous employers actively encouraged freelancers to trade with them as Ltd Co'y so that they didn't risk getting fingered for evading employer NI. Remember, tax avoidance is every man's duty. Tax evasion is and always was a crime.
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 12:57 PM
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Xenophobic tendencies drove cheap labour out . Now they're gone and won't return as life quality at home has improved with the help of the EU. No links just talk with some polish people last year . Don't believe those Boris visas will make much difference
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 02:34 PM
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This the same EU that jumps on Poland from a great height and prompts Tusk to warn about Polexit? My partner a Bandrowska doesn't think Poland feels better.

Of course they are a net recipient of EU largesse but the feeling in Poland is of repression of their freedoms and institutions by the EU.

edit: I see you don't understand the UK freelance / self employed labour market - it is not just xenophobia.
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 03:13 PM
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Or Greece.. find a pro EU Greek and he or she could probably "write" for the guardian
short term adaptations are to be expected
Supply chain issues are global
It will resolve in due course I expect. The media do love an alarmist quote after all
the EU and UK should trade like anyone else.. where it benefits both parties
And get over petty squabbles about how us bastad Brits rejected the EU
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