Nov 21st TRACK MEET at CMP
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COME TO THE TRACK AND HAVE A GREAT TIME NOVEMBER 21ST
We had so much fun on OCT 17th we decide to do it again!
I am re-posting all the details for those who don't know what I am talking about:
This is a semi- organized meet. You deal directly with Turn1MotorSports for registration, etc.
and we use this thread as a gathering place.
CMP (Carolina Motor Park) http://www.carolinamotorsportspark.com
open track days run by turn1 Motorsports. http://www.turn1motorsports.com/trackdays.html
In Short:
1. It is an event that is already organized by turn1 so all we
have to do is go as a group.
2. The events are on fridays so those of you who are legally employed need to make sure
you practice your 'Sorry boss got the flu' voice
3. I am guessing most of us will fall under the 'Drivers Ed' category
which means riding with an instructor AT ALL TIMES. So be warned.
(You fall under this category if you have never been to their
Driver's Ed course or don't have a racing license)
Don't think however, that because there is an instructor
with you in the car he is going to 'cramp your style'. Just
read my recount of the July 18th track day and you will understand.
4. $225 (Includes Helmet) will get you in. It may be cheaper
depending on whether you qualify for the solo group and /or register early.
5. It is held at CMP which is about 1.5 hours south of Charlotte.
If this all the info you need just skip to the bottom of the post,
otherwise read on.
In more detail:
1. What is it?
The Turn1Motorsports Track Days is an event in which you take
your car and drive it around the track.
There are two main categories: Solo and Driver's Ed. They decide
if you can do solo or not.
Driver's Ed group must ride with an instructor at all times.The instructor
will show you around the track and give you feedback on your technique.
Solo group is for when they consider you are good enough so you get to be in your car all by yourself.
There are four run groups. Each group does a 20 minute
session and rests for 1 hour. Each group does 5 sessions
during the day.
The groups are (in track order)
Solo
Drivers Ed 2 (advanced)
Test and Tune (pretty much race cars only)
Drivers Ed 1
2. Where is it?
The Track Days are held at Carolina Motor Park which is south
of Charlotte. CMP's web site instructs participants to:
"Allow 1.25 hours from downtown Charlotte, in off-peak traffic"
3.Cost?
For those who fall under the 'Drivers Ed' category the cost is $225 (Includes Helmet)
For solo drivers the cost is $185 (Includes Helmet)
You can save $25 by registering two weeks prior to the event
(see the next point)
Then of course you will have to add gas money (a whole tank)
and lunch money . They have a restaurant that does the catering but you have to pay for luch. It is better to go to town and
have luch at one of the A/C equipped restaurants (although
it may not be so hot in OCT). This way you get a break from
the track.
4. When?
November 21st. This is a Friday (so you'd have to take TH and FR off - or at least 1/2 TH if you live far)
5. What type of instruction do you get?
The instructor will show you the track (explaining what
the different features are and how to approach them) and show you
the 'line' (the best path to take through the course). They
will also give you feedback on your technique.
6. How much track time do you get?
All groups get 5 X 20 minute sessions through the day. Each
session consists of 20 cars driving around the track with controlled
passing (only certain places and times where you are allowed to pass)
This is plenty of time on the track for a novice. If you are
doing it right you will be sore the next day (pecs, biceps,
triceps, and maybe sore wrists) from a 'mere' hour on the track.
The Driver's Ed group gets instruction classes while the other groups are on the track. This group is the last one out to the track.
There are two Driver's Ed groups (Novice and not so Novice )
But if they think you are doing great they will let you go out
alone in the next session.
7. What safety equipment is required?
Only a helmet is required (Rent it for $10 from Turn1)
8. Can we get a group discount? NO (I asked)
9. Can two people share a car? Yes. One of you will be
put in a different DE group and have different instructors.
You still have to pay full fee for each driver.
Alternatively you can rent one of the track cars ($1000)
and be in the same group.
10 Where do you stay?
It is best to drive there the night before if you live more
than 2 hours away. You will not be rested enough to
enjoy it (Remember you have to be at the track at 7 am!)
You can stay at the track for $20/night if you bring
a motorhome, camper, tent, etc. There are showers there.
If you want a hotel they recommend the Best Western
in Lugoff for $62 plus tax (AAA rate ). That is about 25 miles
away.
There is also the "Executive Inn" for $49. This is the closest one to the track, about 3 miles.
The Oct 17th group stayed here and it is very nice. Renovated about 1 1/2 years ago.
I stayed at the Best Western the first time and I like the Executive Inn better.
For more info check http://www.turn1motorsports.com/foodlodging.html
11. Other items
Bring chairs and / or table, plenty of drinks (there is
a vending machine there though), Car tent or big golf umbrella
(may not be needed in Nov).
If you can, buy a pair of cheap football gloves. Not the ones
with the plastic super adhesive palms but the cheper ones
with the sticky leather palms.
TO REGISTER:
Download this form: http://www.turn1motorsports.com/pdffiles/e...ollmentform.doc
Print it. Fill in the information boxes.
Download this form: http://www.turn1motorsports.com/pdffiles/m...medicalform.doc
Print it. Fill in the information boxes.
Mail the above 2 forms along with a check for the fees to:
Turn One Motorsports
P.O. Box 336
Kershaw, SC 29067
Fees for the driver's ed group are:
$190 Early Bird entry fee (enroll at least 2 weeks prior to the event date)
$215* entry fee (if entry received within 2 weeks of the event date)
Fees for the solo group are:
$150 Early Bird entry fee (enroll at least 2 weeks prior to the event date)
$175 entry fee (if entry received within 2 weeks of the event date)
Download this form: http://www.turn1motorsports.com/pdffiles/i...pectionform.doc
Print it. Fill in the information boxes. Bring it with you to the track
As of Nov 5 these owners have expressed interest (need confirmation soon)
Cashout - Confirmed
fantaS2K - Confirmed
Smiley147
Ron
Everyone is invited but specially the following members since they expressed interest last time but
could not attend:
airgate
Suzuka Sue
Timber
MyBad
RubyRashel
Topper1963
TurnFast
MPTuningUSA
Busch
We had so much fun on OCT 17th we decide to do it again!
I am re-posting all the details for those who don't know what I am talking about:
This is a semi- organized meet. You deal directly with Turn1MotorSports for registration, etc.
and we use this thread as a gathering place.
CMP (Carolina Motor Park) http://www.carolinamotorsportspark.com
open track days run by turn1 Motorsports. http://www.turn1motorsports.com/trackdays.html
In Short:
1. It is an event that is already organized by turn1 so all we
have to do is go as a group.
2. The events are on fridays so those of you who are legally employed need to make sure
you practice your 'Sorry boss got the flu' voice
3. I am guessing most of us will fall under the 'Drivers Ed' category
which means riding with an instructor AT ALL TIMES. So be warned.
(You fall under this category if you have never been to their
Driver's Ed course or don't have a racing license)
Don't think however, that because there is an instructor
with you in the car he is going to 'cramp your style'. Just
read my recount of the July 18th track day and you will understand.
4. $225 (Includes Helmet) will get you in. It may be cheaper
depending on whether you qualify for the solo group and /or register early.
5. It is held at CMP which is about 1.5 hours south of Charlotte.
If this all the info you need just skip to the bottom of the post,
otherwise read on.
In more detail:
1. What is it?
The Turn1Motorsports Track Days is an event in which you take
your car and drive it around the track.
There are two main categories: Solo and Driver's Ed. They decide
if you can do solo or not.
Driver's Ed group must ride with an instructor at all times.The instructor
will show you around the track and give you feedback on your technique.
Solo group is for when they consider you are good enough so you get to be in your car all by yourself.
There are four run groups. Each group does a 20 minute
session and rests for 1 hour. Each group does 5 sessions
during the day.
The groups are (in track order)
Solo
Drivers Ed 2 (advanced)
Test and Tune (pretty much race cars only)
Drivers Ed 1
2. Where is it?
The Track Days are held at Carolina Motor Park which is south
of Charlotte. CMP's web site instructs participants to:
"Allow 1.25 hours from downtown Charlotte, in off-peak traffic"
3.Cost?
For those who fall under the 'Drivers Ed' category the cost is $225 (Includes Helmet)
For solo drivers the cost is $185 (Includes Helmet)
You can save $25 by registering two weeks prior to the event
(see the next point)
Then of course you will have to add gas money (a whole tank)
and lunch money . They have a restaurant that does the catering but you have to pay for luch. It is better to go to town and
have luch at one of the A/C equipped restaurants (although
it may not be so hot in OCT). This way you get a break from
the track.
4. When?
November 21st. This is a Friday (so you'd have to take TH and FR off - or at least 1/2 TH if you live far)
5. What type of instruction do you get?
The instructor will show you the track (explaining what
the different features are and how to approach them) and show you
the 'line' (the best path to take through the course). They
will also give you feedback on your technique.
6. How much track time do you get?
All groups get 5 X 20 minute sessions through the day. Each
session consists of 20 cars driving around the track with controlled
passing (only certain places and times where you are allowed to pass)
This is plenty of time on the track for a novice. If you are
doing it right you will be sore the next day (pecs, biceps,
triceps, and maybe sore wrists) from a 'mere' hour on the track.
The Driver's Ed group gets instruction classes while the other groups are on the track. This group is the last one out to the track.
There are two Driver's Ed groups (Novice and not so Novice )
But if they think you are doing great they will let you go out
alone in the next session.
7. What safety equipment is required?
Only a helmet is required (Rent it for $10 from Turn1)
8. Can we get a group discount? NO (I asked)
9. Can two people share a car? Yes. One of you will be
put in a different DE group and have different instructors.
You still have to pay full fee for each driver.
Alternatively you can rent one of the track cars ($1000)
and be in the same group.
10 Where do you stay?
It is best to drive there the night before if you live more
than 2 hours away. You will not be rested enough to
enjoy it (Remember you have to be at the track at 7 am!)
You can stay at the track for $20/night if you bring
a motorhome, camper, tent, etc. There are showers there.
If you want a hotel they recommend the Best Western
in Lugoff for $62 plus tax (AAA rate ). That is about 25 miles
away.
There is also the "Executive Inn" for $49. This is the closest one to the track, about 3 miles.
The Oct 17th group stayed here and it is very nice. Renovated about 1 1/2 years ago.
I stayed at the Best Western the first time and I like the Executive Inn better.
For more info check http://www.turn1motorsports.com/foodlodging.html
11. Other items
Bring chairs and / or table, plenty of drinks (there is
a vending machine there though), Car tent or big golf umbrella
(may not be needed in Nov).
If you can, buy a pair of cheap football gloves. Not the ones
with the plastic super adhesive palms but the cheper ones
with the sticky leather palms.
TO REGISTER:
Download this form: http://www.turn1motorsports.com/pdffiles/e...ollmentform.doc
Print it. Fill in the information boxes.
Download this form: http://www.turn1motorsports.com/pdffiles/m...medicalform.doc
Print it. Fill in the information boxes.
Mail the above 2 forms along with a check for the fees to:
Turn One Motorsports
P.O. Box 336
Kershaw, SC 29067
Fees for the driver's ed group are:
$190 Early Bird entry fee (enroll at least 2 weeks prior to the event date)
$215* entry fee (if entry received within 2 weeks of the event date)
Fees for the solo group are:
$150 Early Bird entry fee (enroll at least 2 weeks prior to the event date)
$175 entry fee (if entry received within 2 weeks of the event date)
Download this form: http://www.turn1motorsports.com/pdffiles/i...pectionform.doc
Print it. Fill in the information boxes. Bring it with you to the track
As of Nov 5 these owners have expressed interest (need confirmation soon)
Cashout - Confirmed
fantaS2K - Confirmed
Smiley147
Ron
Everyone is invited but specially the following members since they expressed interest last time but
could not attend:
airgate
Suzuka Sue
Timber
MyBad
RubyRashel
Topper1963
TurnFast
MPTuningUSA
Busch
10-21-2003, 03:31 AM
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Hey Diego. Great post and thanks for the info. I'm definitely considering something like this to improve my driving skills.
What concerns me the most is the cost of the wear and tear. Can you elaborate from your experience what should I expect to shell out for and do myself before and especially after this event.
And in general, how this type of driving has an effect on the overall condition of the car?
Thanks.
What concerns me the most is the cost of the wear and tear. Can you elaborate from your experience what should I expect to shell out for and do myself before and especially after this event.
And in general, how this type of driving has an effect on the overall condition of the car?
Thanks.
10-21-2003, 04:36 AM
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If you have never been to the track there will be two things that will be noticeable after:
1. Tire wear
2. Brake pad wear
Tire wear:
You will be driving about 100 miles on the track. The wear will be equivalent of 1000 miles or so. When you look at your tires after the event it will look worse than they are.
I have 10K miles on my tires and TWO track days. The rears are close to gone (having them checked today to see if they will get me through FC) and the fronts look like they could do another few thousand miles.
Brake pads:
I have 10K miles and TWO track days on my pads. I am also having this checked today for FC as the rears (the easiest to see with the wheels on) look like they only have a couple of mm left.
After the event you may or may not have to flush your brake fluid. There is a chance that with the increase wear at the track and the higher temps you will end up with brakes that feel a little mushy. They will still work (I drove mine like that for 3000 miles after the first track event) but will have a very different feel.
Other than the items above and having to check your oil a few times during the day (because you will spend a great deal of time in VTEC) there isn't much more to worry about for your first couple of track days. Once you get put into the solo group you will start pusing the car harder and harder. Then you start considering 'race mods' (better pads, rotors, air ducts, sticky tires, etc). But that most likely won't happen until you have done 4+ track days.
As far as the general condition of the car, remember that the S2000 was designed with the track in mind. The car will do just fine. Perhaps Mark can comment some more on this as he has done a few more track days than I have.
1. Tire wear
2. Brake pad wear
Tire wear:
You will be driving about 100 miles on the track. The wear will be equivalent of 1000 miles or so. When you look at your tires after the event it will look worse than they are.
I have 10K miles on my tires and TWO track days. The rears are close to gone (having them checked today to see if they will get me through FC) and the fronts look like they could do another few thousand miles.
Brake pads:
I have 10K miles and TWO track days on my pads. I am also having this checked today for FC as the rears (the easiest to see with the wheels on) look like they only have a couple of mm left.
After the event you may or may not have to flush your brake fluid. There is a chance that with the increase wear at the track and the higher temps you will end up with brakes that feel a little mushy. They will still work (I drove mine like that for 3000 miles after the first track event) but will have a very different feel.
Other than the items above and having to check your oil a few times during the day (because you will spend a great deal of time in VTEC) there isn't much more to worry about for your first couple of track days. Once you get put into the solo group you will start pusing the car harder and harder. Then you start considering 'race mods' (better pads, rotors, air ducts, sticky tires, etc). But that most likely won't happen until you have done 4+ track days.
As far as the general condition of the car, remember that the S2000 was designed with the track in mind. The car will do just fine. Perhaps Mark can comment some more on this as he has done a few more track days than I have.
10-23-2003, 08:15 AM
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I think Diego summed it up pretty well.
I'd love to go, but I must purchase new pads prior to my next event. I got 2 DE events, and 2 Solo events out of the Panther+ pads, so I feel that I will get 2 good events out of my next set of pads, as I was not pleased with the initial bite the pads provided during the 3rd & 4th events.
I also need to purchase new tires soon, so with the need for pads & tires, I believe my wife would string me up if I went to the track in the same month.
Ya'll enjoy
I think Diego summed it up pretty well.
I'd love to go, but I must purchase new pads prior to my next event. I got 2 DE events, and 2 Solo events out of the Panther+ pads, so I feel that I will get 2 good events out of my next set of pads, as I was not pleased with the initial bite the pads provided during the 3rd & 4th events.
I also need to purchase new tires soon, so with the need for pads & tires, I believe my wife would string me up if I went to the track in the same month.
Ya'll enjoy
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10-23-2003, 09:07 AM
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doh!
i was all excited to go and already talked to an instructor to instruct me...and just remembered i'll be about 3000 miles away that weekend. this is the last event of the year too
i was all excited to go and already talked to an instructor to instruct me...and just remembered i'll be about 3000 miles away that weekend. this is the last event of the year too
10-23-2003, 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by S2k Awe
I also need to purchase new tires soon, so with the need for pads & tires, I believe my wife would string me up if I went to the track in the same month.
Ya'll enjoy
I also need to purchase new tires soon, so with the need for pads & tires, I believe my wife would string me up if I went to the track in the same month.
Ya'll enjoy
I've got 2 OEM fronts for sale cheap!