George W. Bush is a prick. He's looking for Rita
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 27 2005, 12:13 PM
But are there any other taxes in France that might make the overall tax 60%? U.S. taxpayers have more than just income tax withheld from their paychecks. Maybe that is what the newspaper article was trying to indicate. 
Plenty of countries pay > 40% of GDP toward taxation of all types. Those countries tend to have more help toward education and health. Sweden university and healthcare is free. Never mind the discussion of how good it is since no one here knows... The point is that higher taxed populations tend to get more social services.
Interesting that we're at a time when the citizenry of the US is wanting more (for Katrina and Rita relief) from the feds.
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 27 2005, 12:14 PM
Okay, it might have been used here. I meant in the academic world, "lazy" is not used in the argument. 
I know that.You calling this an academic forum?
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Originally Posted by jedwards,Sep 27 2005, 12:17 PM
It is funny isn't it? Deducing that higher taxes make people less willing to work is bogus... The relationship is clearly not that simple. Please look back and see that is precisely what I say.
"I disagree that the reason we work harder here is because of the tax system. That's a rather simplistic view of a pervasive cultural phenomenon. "
People don't move to Nevada because they don't have 'perfect mobility'. Since you've studied Econ you know that 'free market' assumes 'perfect knowledge' and 'perfect mobility'. Niether assumption can be correct.
The window washer dude has plenty of reasons he can't move and it isn't that he like surfing or likes to stay close to the wine regions... unless he or his family picks grapes.
Cali has been intelligent to encourage and fortunate to have the advantage of a hard working innovative citizenry. Taxes have gone up and up and the creativity has remained.
Funny... I don't think you disagree with me.
Deducing that higher taxes make people less willing to work is bogus... The relationship is clearly not that simple. Please look back and see that is precisely what I say."I disagree that the reason we work harder here is because of the tax system. That's a rather simplistic view of a pervasive cultural phenomenon. "
People don't move to Nevada because they don't have 'perfect mobility'. Since you've studied Econ you know that 'free market' assumes 'perfect knowledge' and 'perfect mobility'. Niether assumption can be correct.
The window washer dude has plenty of reasons he can't move and it isn't that he like surfing or likes to stay close to the wine regions... unless he or his family picks grapes.
Cali has been intelligent to encourage and fortunate to have the advantage of a hard working innovative citizenry. Taxes have gone up and up and the creativity has remained.
Funny... I don't think you disagree with me.
However, I do believe that it is possible that tax rates can influence the amount of work individuals will undertake. There is just no way to measure it.
That being said, lower taxes may lead to more work, but may lead to less tax revenue. Does the gain outweigh the loss? I don't know. It's easy to measure the loss. Any increased productivity would be difficult to measure.
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Originally Posted by zdave87,Sep 27 2005, 12:08 PM
Well then, how come when a person who comes out of welfare and becomes successful-they generally become a Republican? Is it because they are aware of the welfare fraud that goes on-and they're tired of wasting their taxes to support that?
How come you never see a Democrat standing side by side with a person who worked his/her way out of the welfare system and announce "This is a person that all of you can be. You can get off of the public welfare dole" Why not? It's because the people that are supported by & large by the gov't welfare programs are Democrats and he/she is afraid of losing that voter base.
How come you never see a Democrat standing side by side with a person who worked his/her way out of the welfare system and announce "This is a person that all of you can be. You can get off of the public welfare dole" Why not? It's because the people that are supported by & large by the gov't welfare programs are Democrats and he/she is afraid of losing that voter base.
"Well then, how come when a person who comes out of welfare and becomes successful-they generally become a Republican?"
Not unusual for someone who has worked hard and done something to push back on their origins. I've done it to some extent and so have many many others. It's a human nature thing.
"Is it because they are aware of the welfare fraud that goes on-and they're tired of wasting their taxes to support that?"
No, that's silly.
"How come you never see..."
I'm not sure you don't and neither are you.
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Originally Posted by jedwards,Sep 27 2005, 02:55 PM
Can we also deduce that the laziest States are:
and the hardest working are:
Tennesee, South Dakota and Nevada where amongst onther States there is noo state tax
while the lazy states are:
NEW YORK 7.7%
IDAHO
MINNESOTA
HAWAII
NORTH CAROLINA
MAINE
NEW JERSEY
IOWA
OREGON
CALIFORNIA 9%
Where taxes are highest?
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html
and the hardest working are:
Tennesee, South Dakota and Nevada where amongst onther States there is noo state tax
while the lazy states are:
NEW YORK 7.7%
IDAHO
MINNESOTA
HAWAII
NORTH CAROLINA
MAINE
NEW JERSEY
IOWA
OREGON
CALIFORNIA 9%
Where taxes are highest?
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html
JED you are being summoned to the "screw the Nano" thread!
