''Going to war without the French .....
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From: Alicante
All right,
it's good to see, in, say, the last 5 or 6 messages, that every insult/F*CK/words were completely banned. It's good to see there are minds above these guts ! Thank YOU to all (and specially to Brantshali !).
Oh, Cubic Inch, about my screen name: yes it stands for "I" or "me" in French. I usually use "Zico" or something similar, but I didn't want to hide my nationality. Good guess then . It was quite easy though !
I live in Spain, where I work, and I'm in close contact with France, where all my family lives.
You see, to try to make it quick and simple, I would say that French public opinion on what is allready called "war of Irak" is perfectly summed up in Brantshali's last posts.
Of course we're all aware of Saddam's dictatorial madness and crualty.
No One in France would hesitate one second in urgingly support and defend it's allies, and first of all USA, which is considered as family, should USA be attacked.
But the whole thing is about the DOUBT concerning the existence - in the case of today's situation of Irak - of a 'War clear cut case', as an armed agression/invasion would be (Koweit 1990).
Face it: preventive war is based on the intention you consider the 'ennemy' has. And you can simply be wrong on this.
A long time ago, Rome wanted to end with Carthago's rivalty. Yet Rome's Senate had doubts about launching a new war against the other city.
One senator once took the floor and showed his fellows a fruit, still fresh, though collected few days/hours ago in Carthago: The fear that ennemy soldiers could reach Rome as quickly lead to the Senate's decision to attack.
Carthago was completely deleted, and Rome extended its control on what soon became the "corn-tank" of Italy.
If they want to get rid of the-man-Saddam, US Intellingence could do it (they did it with so many others).
But for many people in Europe (that is just a point of view), Oil control is not worthing a war. This is our "side" of "the big picture".
Have a nice week-end.
it's good to see, in, say, the last 5 or 6 messages, that every insult/F*CK/words were completely banned. It's good to see there are minds above these guts ! Thank YOU to all (and specially to Brantshali !).
Oh, Cubic Inch, about my screen name: yes it stands for "I" or "me" in French. I usually use "Zico" or something similar, but I didn't want to hide my nationality. Good guess then . It was quite easy though !
I live in Spain, where I work, and I'm in close contact with France, where all my family lives.
You see, to try to make it quick and simple, I would say that French public opinion on what is allready called "war of Irak" is perfectly summed up in Brantshali's last posts.
Of course we're all aware of Saddam's dictatorial madness and crualty.
No One in France would hesitate one second in urgingly support and defend it's allies, and first of all USA, which is considered as family, should USA be attacked.
But the whole thing is about the DOUBT concerning the existence - in the case of today's situation of Irak - of a 'War clear cut case', as an armed agression/invasion would be (Koweit 1990).
Face it: preventive war is based on the intention you consider the 'ennemy' has. And you can simply be wrong on this.
A long time ago, Rome wanted to end with Carthago's rivalty. Yet Rome's Senate had doubts about launching a new war against the other city.
One senator once took the floor and showed his fellows a fruit, still fresh, though collected few days/hours ago in Carthago: The fear that ennemy soldiers could reach Rome as quickly lead to the Senate's decision to attack.
Carthago was completely deleted, and Rome extended its control on what soon became the "corn-tank" of Italy.
If they want to get rid of the-man-Saddam, US Intellingence could do it (they did it with so many others).
But for many people in Europe (that is just a point of view), Oil control is not worthing a war. This is our "side" of "the big picture".
Have a nice week-end.
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I would be willing to fight as well. Ledfoot, I totally agree w/ you about using our power responsibly. I also believe in taking the fight to our enemy instead of waiting for them to attack our civilians. Freedom is not free (and I sure as hell am not referring to taxes!). It astonishes me that many people don't realize this or refuse to accept it.
You whores are the best! It's nice to have a place where we can talk intelligently about our views.
You whores are the best! It's nice to have a place where we can talk intelligently about our views.
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Moi, is it a French policy to always wait 'till something happens? Believe it or not, that's what US policy had been since it was formed. But, something did happen to us a year and half ago in NY and DC. We can't afford to wait for smoking gun anymore because that means it's already been fired (hoaky metaphor, I know-but it makes common sense). The Kuwaiti people clearly understand that.
As for finding the 'proof'... well, it wouldn't surprise me if the inspectors didn't find any WMD. Saddam may be a tyrant and a dictator but he isn't stupid. The minute he found out the UN was going to bring inspectors back in (and this was before Resolution 1441 was even drafted) you know he's going to try and hide them. His country is 430,000+ sq kilometers of desert. Where CAN'T he hide his weapons?!? Then we finally bring in inspectors over 2 months after the UN started planning. And how many do we bring in? Only 2 teams! And then the european community criticizes the US when they don't find anything after a month. Where is the LOGIC? Where is the common sense? Believe me, I am all for finding proof to show the entire world that Saddam is an A$$. But if we do it, we should do it correctly and not at Saddam's convenience or discretion.
I appreciate your open discussions regarding these current events rather than attacking me personally.
As for finding the 'proof'... well, it wouldn't surprise me if the inspectors didn't find any WMD. Saddam may be a tyrant and a dictator but he isn't stupid. The minute he found out the UN was going to bring inspectors back in (and this was before Resolution 1441 was even drafted) you know he's going to try and hide them. His country is 430,000+ sq kilometers of desert. Where CAN'T he hide his weapons?!? Then we finally bring in inspectors over 2 months after the UN started planning. And how many do we bring in? Only 2 teams! And then the european community criticizes the US when they don't find anything after a month. Where is the LOGIC? Where is the common sense? Believe me, I am all for finding proof to show the entire world that Saddam is an A$$. But if we do it, we should do it correctly and not at Saddam's convenience or discretion.
I appreciate your open discussions regarding these current events rather than attacking me personally.
