The Semi-Official Hockey Thread...
Originally Posted by jedwards,Jun 15 2005, 05:53 PM
Rugby isn't a wussy game but fighting is rare. Traditional Hockey crowds? I don't think the 'traditional' hockey crowds, those who grew up with the game and whose parents and their parents grew up with the game, have much desire for the fighting or the cheap shots. In fact I'm fairly certain they don't. It's not the traditional hockey fan who is looking for fights.
The college and Euro model of hockey isn't a bad one to follow. If the ref's wanted to clean up the slashing and cross checking they could do that as well. Can they stop cheating? No. Look at non contact sports like basketball and waterpolo.
But they could improve it by enforcing the rule.
Silly to have rules you aren't going to enforce. Game is sillier without them though.
The college and Euro model of hockey isn't a bad one to follow. If the ref's wanted to clean up the slashing and cross checking they could do that as well. Can they stop cheating? No. Look at non contact sports like basketball and waterpolo.
But they could improve it by enforcing the rule.Silly to have rules you aren't going to enforce. Game is sillier without them though.
Here's the problem... I think I agree that hockey is more marketable to an unknowledgeable audience if it is gooned up. It's the easy way but not the only way.
Several problems (that Bettman and his org'n don't give a crap about) arise though and not least of which is the 'purity of the game'. Until hockey is seen in it's purer form, American parents won't encourage their kids to play.
Rinks are popping up and a slow rate across the states but appearing nonetheless. Who plays hockey though? Hardly anyone. Who can blame parents for not encouraging their kids though when the idea is that they'll get their sweaters pulled over their heads and punched out?
OTOH, there are plenty of Cdns who are just as happy that is the perception... keep the sport to themselves (and a very few northern states). Look what happened when the Europeans decided hockey looked like a fun game.
Several problems (that Bettman and his org'n don't give a crap about) arise though and not least of which is the 'purity of the game'. Until hockey is seen in it's purer form, American parents won't encourage their kids to play.
Rinks are popping up and a slow rate across the states but appearing nonetheless. Who plays hockey though? Hardly anyone. Who can blame parents for not encouraging their kids though when the idea is that they'll get their sweaters pulled over their heads and punched out?
OTOH, there are plenty of Cdns who are just as happy that is the perception... keep the sport to themselves (and a very few northern states). Look what happened when the Europeans decided hockey looked like a fun game.
Hockey doesn't belong in the sunshine states, if they can't freeze a rink outdoors for the whole winter they shouldn't have the game there. It does belong to the northern tier, it was never a southern sport, no outdoor facilities for skating down there, until the advent of big arenas. How many hockey superstars came from the south, not players that were born and bred in the north and purchased by a southern team? There is not as much support there and it causes the cost to be spread out through the league. There's a lot of kids in hockey around here, but it is an expensive sport to be in for middle and high school students. The players have to buy their own gear, pads, sticks, skates. It's not like the more traditional sports in most schools, where the school supplies everything but the shoes.
I'm not in disagreement with those statements.
Fact of the matter is that the NHL wants to make a lot of money. Billy says they can't extend to the southern viewers (read lots of money) without gooning. Hard to disagree with that either.
So what then?
Fact of the matter is that the NHL wants to make a lot of money. Billy says they can't extend to the southern viewers (read lots of money) without gooning. Hard to disagree with that either.
So what then?

Just read my local newspaper, Gretzky is going to be holding some of the initial Olympic training camps in Kelowna and Vancouver in August. I'll definately have to check that out.
Also, an initial draft of the Team Canada Olympic roster has been posted:
http://g.msn.com/0US!s6.73430_734763/3...1??cm=TSNSports
I was sad to see that my buddy didn't make the team, but then I read further down:
"We still need one goalie, one defenceman and three forwards to fill out the 23-man Olympic lineup."
Leading contenders
Goal: Jose Theodore, Montreal Canadiens; Marty Turco, Dallas Stars.
Defence: Eric Brewer, Edmonton Oilers; Jay Bouwmeester, Florida Panthers; Scott Hannan, San Jose Sharks; Robyn Regehr, Calgary Flames, Dan Boyle, Tampa Bay Lightning.
Forward: Kris Draper, Detroit Red Wings; Dany Heatley, Atlanta Thrashers; Kirk Maltby, Detroit Red Wings; Patrick Marleau, San Jose Sharks; Brenden Morrow, Dallas Stars; Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay Lightning.
Cool to see that they are considering Crosby too, if he performs well in his first 3 months.
Also, an initial draft of the Team Canada Olympic roster has been posted:
http://g.msn.com/0US!s6.73430_734763/3...1??cm=TSNSports
I was sad to see that my buddy didn't make the team, but then I read further down:
"We still need one goalie, one defenceman and three forwards to fill out the 23-man Olympic lineup."
Leading contenders
Goal: Jose Theodore, Montreal Canadiens; Marty Turco, Dallas Stars.
Defence: Eric Brewer, Edmonton Oilers; Jay Bouwmeester, Florida Panthers; Scott Hannan, San Jose Sharks; Robyn Regehr, Calgary Flames, Dan Boyle, Tampa Bay Lightning.
Forward: Kris Draper, Detroit Red Wings; Dany Heatley, Atlanta Thrashers; Kirk Maltby, Detroit Red Wings; Patrick Marleau, San Jose Sharks; Brenden Morrow, Dallas Stars; Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay Lightning.
Cool to see that they are considering Crosby too, if he performs well in his first 3 months.
Originally Posted by jedwards,Jun 16 2005, 10:38 AM
Here's the problem... I think I agree that hockey is more marketable to an unknowledgeable audience if it is gooned up. It's the easy way but not the only way.
Several problems (that Bettman and his org'n don't give a crap about) arise though and not least of which is the 'purity of the game'. Until hockey is seen in it's purer form, American parents won't encourage their kids to play.
Rinks are popping up and a slow rate across the states but appearing nonetheless. Who plays hockey though? Hardly anyone. Who can blame parents for not encouraging their kids though when the idea is that they'll get their sweaters pulled over their heads and punched out?
OTOH, there are plenty of Cdns who are just as happy that is the perception... keep the sport to themselves (and a very few northern states). Look what happened when the Europeans decided hockey looked like a fun game.
Several problems (that Bettman and his org'n don't give a crap about) arise though and not least of which is the 'purity of the game'. Until hockey is seen in it's purer form, American parents won't encourage their kids to play.
Rinks are popping up and a slow rate across the states but appearing nonetheless. Who plays hockey though? Hardly anyone. Who can blame parents for not encouraging their kids though when the idea is that they'll get their sweaters pulled over their heads and punched out?
OTOH, there are plenty of Cdns who are just as happy that is the perception... keep the sport to themselves (and a very few northern states). Look what happened when the Europeans decided hockey looked like a fun game.
). There are two things casual fans understand about any sport - violence and scoring. Soccer is not friendly to the casual fan (which most every American who didn't grow up playing is) because 1 or 2 goals a game is the most one can expect. 0-0 ties are common. NFL Football has thrived in the last 10-15 years because rules were changed to encourage scoring while minimizing the injuries (especially to star quarterbacks and 'skill' players); millions of people watch NFL every sunday yet few know a 4-3 tackle stunt from a 3-4 OLB blitz and there are far fewer guys getting seriously hurt now. The NBA has tanked because coaches are better at teaching defensive schemes than they are at teaching guys to make 12 foot jumpers and free throws. A 1-0 hockey game with no fights isn't something that's easy to sell to a new/casual fan. A 5-4 game with a lot of scoring chances and great saves is easy to sell to just about anyone. But I'd say that maybe 1 game in 100 fits in that category (figure a dozen truly great games a year). The playoffs are very hard to sell - scoring is down and fighting is all but gone, while cheap shot artists like Tie Domi thrive in that environment.
As for getting kids to play; it's never going to be as popular among kids as the other major sports - baseball, soccer, football, basketball, and golf. Hockey has the same problems as racing (reopening this can of worms) - it relies heavily on having fairly well off families to support the kids who want to play, and having a parent with enough free time to accomodate the traveling requirements. Canadia, Minnesota, Michigan, Massachusetts, Maine, Colorado - they have large enough programs were a less well off kid can get into 2nd/3rd hand gear reasonably and buddy up to get rides. But how many young players do you see from Detroit proper? Or the south side of Chicago? Not many, and you never will - it costs $15 for a ball and $50 for a pair of b-ball shoes, and they can play year round for little or no cost. Soccer can be played for minimal cost, and most schools with football programs provide everything but the shoes.







