The Corner House of Whores and Monkeys. Enter for Fun & Shenanigans! We're weird here. In the most awesome way possible.

The Semi-Official Hockey Thread...

Thread Tools
 
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 08:41 AM
  #891  
NikePenguin's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 38,617
Likes: 1
Default

I just hope they are able to resolve this by play-off time.
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 08:45 AM
  #892  
WestSideBilly's Avatar
Thread Starter
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 93,305
Likes: 820
From: Nowhere
Default

Doubt it.
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 08:47 AM
  #893  
s2ko's Avatar
Registered User
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 67,849
Likes: 564
From: Metro NYC
Default

I agree.
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 06:47 AM
  #894  
WestSideBilly's Avatar
Thread Starter
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 93,305
Likes: 820
From: Nowhere
Default

Originally Posted by WestSideBilly,Dec 10 2004, 08:58 AM
  • Salary Rollback
    Immediately cuts 24 percent off all existing contracts. NHLPA says that will save teams $270 million in the first year and $528 million over three years. The previous offer of Sept. 9 offered a 5 percent rollback.
  • Salary Restraints
    Would restrict rookie contracts to $850,000 a year for three years, down from last season's $1.2 million level. There would also be reductions in qualifying offers to restricted free agents, and would give clubs the chance to elect arbitration in a system similar to one used in baseball. The union estimates clubs will save $400 million over the next six years and reduce the aggregate qualifying offers due to restricted free agents by $285 million over three years.
  • Luxury Tax
    Would penalize teams 20 cents for each dollar they spend between $45 million and $50 million. The penalty would increase to 25 percent the second year and 30 percent in the third. Teams spending between $50 million and $60 million would be taxed 50 cents on the dollar the first year, 55 cents the second year and 60 cents the third. Those with payrolls above that would have to pay 60 cents for every dollar the first year, 65 cents the second, and 70 cents the third year on each dollar over the threshold. Includes a revenue-sharing plan to bring the bottom 15 teams within 30 percent of the revenues of the top 15 teams.
  • Joint Players-Club Committees
    Committees would be designed to ensure improvements in the game, its marketing and its revenues. The players proposed to play in the 2006 and 2010 Winter Olympics.
I like the progressive luxury tax. 24% rollback seems a bit steep, but it may be enough to get the owners to accept a luxury tax.

Bettman will counteroffer on Tuesday.
No real surprise - Bettman came back with a ridiculous counter offer.
  • Salary Rollback

    Immediate one time graduated rollback:
    2003-2004 Salary Rollback # of Players
    Less than $800,000 0% 349
    $800,000 to $1.499 mm 15% 191
    $1.5 mm to $1.99 mm 20% 58
    $2.00 mm to $3.99 mm 24% 133
    $4.0 mm to $4.99 mm 30% 24
    $5.00 mm and greater 35% 41

    Averages out to be within a few million dollars of the NHLPA's flat 24% offer. Of course, a guy with a $5.0m contract will end up making less than a guy with a $4.9m contract.
  • Salary Restraints
    The NHL accepted the PA's rookie contract maximum (and adds a higher minimum salary); and added a mandatory year clause and eliminates signing bonuses and performance clauses.
  • Luxury Tax
    Not accepted. Fixed salary cap between $34.6 and $38.6 million; no inflationary increases during the length of the CBA. 10 teams are currently over that threshold (using the NHL's graduated rollback), and several teams like Colorado and Toronto (both around $55 million) would have to gut their rosters.
  • Misc
    Different qualifying offer structure, entirely eliminate arbitration, unrestricted free agency age lowered to 30 (from 31), revenue sharing in plans.

Basically more of the same. The owners took the NHLPA's generous offer and added to it. Not much in terms of compromise by the league at all.

Ironically, even the NHL admits that the two proposals are only a few % points apart; but Bettman obviously thinks his owners aren't capable of restraining themselves.

I would say this counteroffer all but officially ends the season.
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 11:13 AM
  #895  
mikes2k's Avatar
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 88,444
Likes: 21
From: Pt. A to Pt. B via VTEC!!
Default

So no hockey this year at all I take it?
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 11:15 AM
  #896  
WestSideBilly's Avatar
Thread Starter
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 93,305
Likes: 820
From: Nowhere
Default

Hasn't officially been killed, but Bettman refuses to budge on the salary cap. So, yeah, no Hockey this year.
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 11:15 AM
  #897  
ACLR8's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 12,308
Likes: 0
From: At the bottom, drowning
Default

Hmmmm I have just two words . . .


HOCKEY TOWN!!!!



Ok, glad I got that off my chest
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 11:17 AM
  #898  
mikes2k's Avatar
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 88,444
Likes: 21
From: Pt. A to Pt. B via VTEC!!
Default

It sucks when "the man" thinks he is bigger than the institution
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 05:51 PM
  #899  
zdave87's Avatar
Member
Member (Premium)
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 82,468
Likes: 1,193
Default

Old Dec 19, 2004 | 02:46 PM
  #900  
WestSideBilly's Avatar
Thread Starter
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 93,305
Likes: 820
From: Nowhere
Default




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:06 AM.