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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 10:29 AM
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the computer doesn't know what's deliberate and what's not....so it works under the same parameters....all the time.

i, for one, wish the S2000 had traction control (winter driver for me).
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 12:24 PM
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Traction control for a car that has 140-150 ft lbs of torque
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PLYRS 3,Mar 28 2005, 12:29 PM
the computer doesn't know what's deliberate and what's not....so it works under the same parameters....all the time.

i, for one, wish the S2000 had traction control (winter driver for me).
Winter driver for me too, but I just consider my right foot my traction control
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by koala,Mar 28 2005, 09:51 AM
Are you sure that any of those technologies are really going to help when a guy is going around a corner at 50 mph in the rain? I mean, I'm all for safety features, but I don't think any amount of traction control is going to help in a situation like that.

I feel bad that this guy crashed his car, but he just has to learn from his mistakes.

I took my S2000 too fast around a corner and did 6k damage to the passanger rear tire and suspension (not even any body damage!). I know for a fact that traction control wasn't going to help me avoid that accident, because of the speed involved.
I think you are all wet (not trying to start an argument, I just think you are wrong). This type of scenario is exactly the type of situation that the newer stability systems are designed to address. I had a MY02 Audi A4 with electronic stability control (standard equipment). The technology was liscenced from Mercedes Benz. Now how effective this technology would be on a 2wd rear driver is a question I cannot answer.

The Audi system worked by combining pitch roll and yaw sensors with speed sensors at each wheel, looked at accellerator and braking inputs and then made adjustments in braking and power apportioned to each corner.

Of course all that assumes throttle by wire and the quattro makes things a little easier to implement.

I for one, would welcome electronic stability control on the car -- as long as it could be turned off completely.
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 01:30 PM
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I admit I don't know enough about these systems because they don't interest me that much.

I'm just saying that there must a point where no amount of computer aid is going to help recover the car in time (IE: the car is going far too fast into a corner).
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by koala,Mar 28 2005, 02:30 PM
I admit I don't know enough about these systems because they don't interest me that much.

I'm just saying that there must a point where no amount of computer aid is going to help recover the car in time (IE: the car is going far too fast into a corner).

btw in this case NO rain was present , just no fear as well
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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Traction control is all fine and dandy in a GT car. But a true sports car is a different matter. I know Ferrari uses it, but so what? Artificial computer controlled driving assistors leave me feeling somewhat detached, which is a bad thing. I need the proper interface with my sports cars. I need to feel as if I am a part of my car. Common sense is your best traction control.
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by koala,Mar 28 2005, 02:30 PM
I admit I don't know enough about these systems because they don't interest me that much.

I'm just saying that there must a point where no amount of computer aid is going to help recover the car in time (IE: the car is going far too fast into a corner).



The computer can not prevent a driver from entering a corner too fast which causes the car to exceed it's lateral load limit.
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 05:17 PM
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If this car had traction control, IT WOULD NOT be a true sports car! A true sports car should put YOU in total control, not electronics. I want the car to feel as if it is an extension of my limbs. Not to think safe for me or protect me from myself. Do sport bikes have training wheels ? When I rev the car to 7K dump the clutch and hang on, it's all about me and the mechanicals, This is not a Video game, no restart , no redo, no memory card. If I want to put the tail out and test my limits thats my decision not traction control or electronics! A true Shelby Cobra would not have a ABS and traction control would it?? Just my opinion. Flame if you wish, the car is a toy for me not a daily driver.
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Old Mar 28, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by trich1687,Mar 28 2005, 09:17 PM
Flame if you wish, the car is a toy for me not a daily driver.
Now put some batteries in your toy and get it out of the garage. I wanna' know what 4.77's are like.
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