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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:27 AM
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later gents
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:35 AM
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Oh my.

In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?

According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured.

Cheney denies that McCain was tortured; as does Bush. So do John Yoo and David Addington and George Tenet. In the one indisputably authentic version of the story of a Vietnamese guard showing compassion, McCain talks of the agony of long-time standing. A quarter century later, Don Rumsfeld was putting his signature to memos lengthening the agony of "long-time standing" that victims of Bush's torture regime would have to endure. These torture techniques are, according to the president of the United States, merely "enhanced interrogation."

No war crimes were committed against McCain. And the techniques used are, according to the president, tools to extract accurate information. And so the false confessions that McCain was forced to make were, according to the logic of the Bush administration, as accurate as the "intelligence" we have procured from "interrogating" terror suspects. Feel safer?
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/f...izza-subs_N.htm
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by animeS2K,Aug 20 2008, 03:35 PM
Oh my.
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by animeS2K,Aug 20 2008, 03:35 PM
Oh my.
saw that... deplorable.
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TepEvan,Aug 20 2008, 03:50 PM
And McCain supported those same measures.

And um, the article is written by a conservative columnist, Andrew Sullivan. Not exactly a left-wing or even left-leaning writer.

Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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full article: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_...ccain-tort.html
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by animeS2K,Aug 20 2008, 03:53 PM
And McCain supported those same measures.

And um, the article is written by a conservative columnist, Andrew Sullivan. Not exactly a left-wing or even left-leaning writer.

IOKIYAAA
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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It's
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If
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 12:07 PM
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He is the original Maverick guys....



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