O-turn's Build Thread, son.
Originally Posted by WhrDLMI,Apr 9 2008, 12:14 PM
Have you considered both? It is too cold in our area to run a heat pump alone.
My suggestion is to do both; run the heat pump until get averages less than 40 degrees then run the propane backup. Most heat pumps do not work at all in less than 40 degrees ambient temperature. Commonly, an electric burner kicks in at the point. It works but you get hosed on the bill. LP will be cheaper at this point. HOWEVER, it will take many years (15+) to recoup the install costs.
In my opinion, if you can do a "both" install, go for it. You will be more comfortable when it gets cold. However, if cost is an issue, go heat pump. NEVER just LP... Way too expensive to run.
My suggestion is to do both; run the heat pump until get averages less than 40 degrees then run the propane backup. Most heat pumps do not work at all in less than 40 degrees ambient temperature. Commonly, an electric burner kicks in at the point. It works but you get hosed on the bill. LP will be cheaper at this point. HOWEVER, it will take many years (15+) to recoup the install costs.
In my opinion, if you can do a "both" install, go for it. You will be more comfortable when it gets cold. However, if cost is an issue, go heat pump. NEVER just LP... Way too expensive to run.
I called 3-4 propane stores this morning and the installs are indeed outrageously priced, then the hook ups are more than electric, and the fact that Ill have a one thousand gallon tank underneath my yard somewhere.
Kari also just informed me that I could most likely do radiant heat in the garage (heated floor) which would be nice, so Im exploring that now.
I think a smores meet is in order for after the house is burned unless its burned on a weekend. Im not sure they would want us having a small fire elsewhere or if they would want us using the house

I have my call into them, they still have to come out and inspect the property first.
Originally Posted by Vadster,Apr 9 2008, 01:04 PM
I need a date (when), son. I can't guarantee I can come though 

Originally Posted by O-turn,Apr 9 2008, 01:09 PM
Here is the option we are SERIOUSLY considering going with. 2 zone heat pumps and a pellet stove, those things can really generate some heat!
I called 3-4 propane stores this morning and the installs are indeed outrageously priced, then the hook ups are more than electric, and the fact that Ill have a one thousand gallon tank underneath my yard somewhere.
Kari also just informed me that I could most likely do radiant heat in the garage (heated floor) which would be nice, so Im exploring that now.
I think a smores meet is in order for after the house is burned unless its burned on a weekend. Im not sure they would want us having a small fire elsewhere or if they would want us using the house
I have my call into them, they still have to come out and inspect the property first.
I called 3-4 propane stores this morning and the installs are indeed outrageously priced, then the hook ups are more than electric, and the fact that Ill have a one thousand gallon tank underneath my yard somewhere.
Kari also just informed me that I could most likely do radiant heat in the garage (heated floor) which would be nice, so Im exploring that now.
I think a smores meet is in order for after the house is burned unless its burned on a weekend. Im not sure they would want us having a small fire elsewhere or if they would want us using the house

I have my call into them, they still have to come out and inspect the property first.
I would not worry so much about the tank being buried in your back yard... Those things are very safe but, as you pointed out, the install costs are st00pid. My only advice is that it could pay off in resale value and over time (I am guessing you guys are going to live there for a while...). This is also one of those "now is the time" deals; it will be a major PITA to add it later.
What did you find out about the radiant floor for the garage? I am not aware of an electric system for that... I guess it probably exists but it would be new to me.
Radiant fllor, IIRC, takes a bit to warm up the slab, so if you want to run it out there all the time, then
, but it will be an added cost. If you want to use it only when you are in there, then you need to plan to turn on the heat.
Originally Posted by WhrDLMI,Apr 9 2008, 03:52 PM
The pellet stove is a good plan b. I have a wood stove in my living room that really works well. 
I would not worry so much about the tank being buried in your back yard... Those things are very safe but, as you pointed out, the install costs are st00pid. My only advice is that it could pay off in resale value and over time (I am guessing you guys are going to live there for a while...). This is also one of those "now is the time" deals; it will be a major PITA to add it later.
What did you find out about the radiant floor for the garage? I am not aware of an electric system for that... I guess it probably exists but it would be new to me.
I would not worry so much about the tank being buried in your back yard... Those things are very safe but, as you pointed out, the install costs are st00pid. My only advice is that it could pay off in resale value and over time (I am guessing you guys are going to live there for a while...). This is also one of those "now is the time" deals; it will be a major PITA to add it later.
What did you find out about the radiant floor for the garage? I am not aware of an electric system for that... I guess it probably exists but it would be new to me.
So we are looking to do dual heat pumps with propane back up so the cost will not be outrageous, with the pellet stove still.
Brian...
I have a heat pump and radiant LP powered heat throughout my house...
Everything is expensive... I get a damn good price on LP, and still expensive. I have a 500 gallon tank buried in my back yard with no problems... My heat, stove, hot water and dryer are all LP. During the winter they fill it a little over once a month, and obviously dont march-nov.
The radiant heat is nice... but hard to get "just right" Too many people in the house and its too warm, and if it gets cold it takes a while for the house to heat up (ie a back up heat pump is nice)
As for the garage? I would strongly suggest to put the radiant heat in the floor, just dont hook it up to anything. This way you have the option of adding a burner later (maybe even using your wood stove to heat the water) with minimal cost now. Its not that expensive, and pretty easy to install the material before they pour the garage.
I have a heat pump and radiant LP powered heat throughout my house...
Everything is expensive... I get a damn good price on LP, and still expensive. I have a 500 gallon tank buried in my back yard with no problems... My heat, stove, hot water and dryer are all LP. During the winter they fill it a little over once a month, and obviously dont march-nov.
The radiant heat is nice... but hard to get "just right" Too many people in the house and its too warm, and if it gets cold it takes a while for the house to heat up (ie a back up heat pump is nice)
As for the garage? I would strongly suggest to put the radiant heat in the floor, just dont hook it up to anything. This way you have the option of adding a burner later (maybe even using your wood stove to heat the water) with minimal cost now. Its not that expensive, and pretty easy to install the material before they pour the garage.
Originally Posted by 3312DC,Apr 14 2008, 10:38 PM
Brian...
I have a heat pump and radiant LP powered heat throughout my house...
Everything is expensive... I get a damn good price on LP, and still expensive. I have a 500 gallon tank buried in my back yard with no problems... My heat, stove, hot water and dryer are all LP. During the winter they fill it a little over once a month, and obviously dont march-nov.
The radiant heat is nice... but hard to get "just right" Too many people in the house and its too warm, and if it gets cold it takes a while for the house to heat up (ie a back up heat pump is nice)
As for the garage? I would strongly suggest to put the radiant heat in the floor, just dont hook it up to anything. This way you have the option of adding a burner later (maybe even using your wood stove to heat the water) with minimal cost now. Its not that expensive, and pretty easy to install the material before they pour the garage.
I have a heat pump and radiant LP powered heat throughout my house...
Everything is expensive... I get a damn good price on LP, and still expensive. I have a 500 gallon tank buried in my back yard with no problems... My heat, stove, hot water and dryer are all LP. During the winter they fill it a little over once a month, and obviously dont march-nov.
The radiant heat is nice... but hard to get "just right" Too many people in the house and its too warm, and if it gets cold it takes a while for the house to heat up (ie a back up heat pump is nice)
As for the garage? I would strongly suggest to put the radiant heat in the floor, just dont hook it up to anything. This way you have the option of adding a burner later (maybe even using your wood stove to heat the water) with minimal cost now. Its not that expensive, and pretty easy to install the material before they pour the garage.
We decided on dual heat pumps, propane backup and the pellet stove. The stove is not cheap but I think it will lower heating cost drastically, the heat pumps will not have to work hard at all with the propane backup and the stove running.
We got the final builder contract today and have already finalized the electrician & HVAC, need to finalize the plumbing estimate and then ish starts happening!
Went to lowes to gather a kitchen design, and 13k later we have a kitchen on paper

I wish it was about mid july right now
Originally Posted by O-turn,Apr 15 2008, 09:09 AM
Ive heard good and bad about radiant, and I really wish I could justify the 40k for geothermal, but I just cant.
We decided on dual heat pumps, propane backup and the pellet stove. The stove is not cheap but I think it will lower heating cost drastically, the heat pumps will not have to work hard at all with the propane backup and the stove running.
We got the final builder contract today and have already finalized the electrician & HVAC, need to finalize the plumbing estimate and then ish starts happening!
Went to lowes to gather a kitchen design, and 13k later we have a kitchen on paper
I wish it was about mid july right now
We decided on dual heat pumps, propane backup and the pellet stove. The stove is not cheap but I think it will lower heating cost drastically, the heat pumps will not have to work hard at all with the propane backup and the stove running.
We got the final builder contract today and have already finalized the electrician & HVAC, need to finalize the plumbing estimate and then ish starts happening!
Went to lowes to gather a kitchen design, and 13k later we have a kitchen on paper

I wish it was about mid july right now










