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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Default The Cobalt now performs better than the S2000 CR?

The latest issue of Car and Driver includes a massive comparison test called the Lightning Lap in which 22 cars are raced around Virginia International Raceway. The Cobalt SS Turbo beat the S2000 CR around the track! Not just the S2000, but the freakin CR?

Shame on you Honda for not improving the S2000. Now econoboxes are running down our beloved car.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ap_2008_feature

Cobalt = 3:13

S2000 CR = ?:?? (I couldn't find the time but I read that it was slower than the Cobalt's)
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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The cobalt has a stout, reliable 260hp turbo motor. Apparently the suspension engineering on it has been highly improved via nurburgring testing.

It may be a chevy, but unless you've driven one, I wouldn't down it. It's incredibly respectable.

The thing that kills the S is power. 240hp just doesn't stack up very much anymore.

But in the end, everyone will say "but it's a chevy, and you have an S2000" while it may be true.....for a bit less money, the Cobalt would make a fun bone-stock road racer.

That being said.....I'm not about to sell my S2k to buy one, LOL
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike,Oct 13 2008, 09:47 AM
The thing that kills the S is power. 240hp just doesn't stack up very much anymore.
Correction:

The thing that kills the S is torque. 156 for AP1 and 162 for AP2.



Anyway, if you read the article in the mag, they point out that the CR's brakes got faded quickly, so I'm assuming it was a used CR that had been driven a lot.
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:53 AM
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Cobalt has monoblock Brembos on it so that certainly helps.

Torque doesn't kill the S. If properly driven, you're above 6krpm on a road race track at all times. On a traditional dyno, torque and hp cross at 5252rpm. Figuring at that point anyways torque is either linear or decreasing, you're working on the HP the motor develops there.
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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Face it, the S2000 is a weak car in today's world. That doesn't mean its bad, but its no pack leader.
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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The S2K could use a refresher. There will always be better performing cars. I just need to find the cash to buy them all (e.g. GTR, GT3).

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"see you at the autox.. on no I won't. you won't be in A-stock"
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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what exactly made the cobalt beat the S. Just a little more power??????
I don't think the cobalt could out handle a S if tested by the same driver
Old Oct 13, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by nastinupe1,Oct 13 2008, 11:41 AM
Shame on you Honda for not improving the S2000. Now econoboxes are running down our beloved car.
Honda did improve the S2000. Just because Chevy improved the Cobalt more, doesn't make the CR a bad car. And just because the Cobalt is faster doesn't make it a better car. It just makes it faster.



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