Just checked out Brian Crower's website..
08-29-2007, 10:22 PM
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Just checked out Brian Crower's website..
But first, remember InlinePro's 2.7L stroker all-motor 300rwhp thread from a few months back?
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=492891
Pay particular attention to the second dyno that compares the 2.7 monster to a stock AP1. Also pay attention to Ya's announcement:
That means stock cams, stock valvetrain, stock head....basically the 2.7L motor was ALL STOCK at the time of the dyno with the exception to the bottom end.
Now let's take a journey to Brian Crower's f20c/f22c engine main page here:
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/f20cf22c.shtml
Now click the little dyno chart icon that correlates to his Stage 3 Normally Aspirated Specification cams, and what do you see?
Ahh..something looks familiar doesn't it?
Numbers, powerband curves, the color of the chart...everything is identical to Ya's original chart. BC didn't even do a half-assed attempt of photoshop work to try to at least differentiate things a bit. Tsk tsk.
Now if you take a look at the bottom notes, you'd notice that although BC acknowledges the presence of a stroker kit, he claims that a part of that massive power increase was a result of his very own BC0062 Stage 3 cams and BC0040 titanium valvetrain set. And that doesn't even make any sense because if you keep reading the footnote, it says STOCK HEAD, stock intake manifold...etc.
Which is also inconsistent with Ya's original report that the 300rwhp stroker ran on a STOCK HEAD.
Hmmmmmm...
lol I love this smilie
Now I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say MAYBE, just MAYBE there is a justifiable explanation behind all this..perhaps Brian Crower, has joined business ventures with InlinePro. But I find this to be highly doubtful as BC has already lost ALL credibility in my eyes considering how his previous batch of camshafts had lost power all throughout the powerband. And he just so thought it would be a brilliant idea to release it to the public without any real proper r&d work.
Your thoughts?
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=492891
Pay particular attention to the second dyno that compares the 2.7 monster to a stock AP1. Also pay attention to Ya's announcement:
Originally Posted by ya@inlinepro
We hit our goal on a STOCK HEAD, STOCK INTAKE MANIFOLD, STOCK THROTTLE BODY, STOCK HEADER.
Now let's take a journey to Brian Crower's f20c/f22c engine main page here:
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/f20cf22c.shtml
Now click the little dyno chart icon that correlates to his Stage 3 Normally Aspirated Specification cams, and what do you see?
Ahh..something looks familiar doesn't it?
Numbers, powerband curves, the color of the chart...everything is identical to Ya's original chart. BC didn't even do a half-assed attempt of photoshop work to try to at least differentiate things a bit. Tsk tsk.
Now if you take a look at the bottom notes, you'd notice that although BC acknowledges the presence of a stroker kit, he claims that a part of that massive power increase was a result of his very own BC0062 Stage 3 cams and BC0040 titanium valvetrain set. And that doesn't even make any sense because if you keep reading the footnote, it says STOCK HEAD, stock intake manifold...etc.
Which is also inconsistent with Ya's original report that the 300rwhp stroker ran on a STOCK HEAD.
Hmmmmmm...
lol I love this smilie Now I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say MAYBE, just MAYBE there is a justifiable explanation behind all this..perhaps Brian Crower, has joined business ventures with InlinePro. But I find this to be highly doubtful as BC has already lost ALL credibility in my eyes considering how his previous batch of camshafts had lost power all throughout the powerband. And he just so thought it would be a brilliant idea to release it to the public without any real proper r&d work.
Your thoughts?
08-30-2007, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kenstyle,Aug 29 2007, 10:22 PM
But first, remember InlinePro's 2.7L stroker all-motor 300rwhp thread from a few months back?
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=492891
Pay particular attention to the second dyno that compares the 2.7 monster to a stock AP1. Also pay attention to Ya's announcement:
That means stock cams, stock valvetrain, stock head....basically the 2.7L motor was ALL STOCK at the time of the dyno with the exception to the bottom end.
Now let's take a journey to Brian Crower's f20c/f22c engine main page here:
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/f20cf22c.shtml
Now click the little dyno chart icon that correlates to his Stage 3 Normally Aspirated Specification cams, and what do you see?
Ahh..something looks familiar doesn't it?
Numbers, powerband curves, the color of the chart...everything is identical to Ya's original chart. BC didn't even do a half-assed attempt of photoshop work to try to at least differentiate things a bit. Tsk tsk.
Now if you take a look at the bottom notes, you'd notice that although BC acknowledges the presence of a stroker kit, he claims that a part of that massive power increase was a result of his very own BC0062 Stage 3 cams and BC0040 titanium valvetrain set. And that doesn't even make any sense because if you keep reading the footnote, it says STOCK HEAD, stock intake manifold...etc.
Which is also inconsistent with Ya's original report that the 300rwhp stroker ran on a STOCK HEAD.
Hmmmmmm... lol I love this smilie
Now I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say MAYBE, just MAYBE there is a justifiable explanation behind all this..perhaps Brian Crower, whose shop is located in San Diego in the sunny state of California, has somehow joined business ventures with InlinePro, which is located in Virginia. But I find this to be highly doubtful as BC has already lost ALL credibility in my eyes considering how his previous batch of camshafts had lost power all throughout the powerband. And he just so thought it would be a brilliant idea to release it to the public without any real proper r&d work.
I had NO IDEA this guy would ever stoop to something this low to sell a product.
I thought the BC name was a respectable name within the Honda/Acura community for the longest time. I have even conversed with him via email about half a year ago and he genuinely seemed like a nice and knowledgeable guy.
Your thoughts?
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=492891
Pay particular attention to the second dyno that compares the 2.7 monster to a stock AP1. Also pay attention to Ya's announcement:
Originally Posted by ya@inlinepro
We hit our goal on a STOCK HEAD, STOCK INTAKE MANIFOLD, STOCK THROTTLE BODY, STOCK HEADER.
Now let's take a journey to Brian Crower's f20c/f22c engine main page here:
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/f20cf22c.shtml
Now click the little dyno chart icon that correlates to his Stage 3 Normally Aspirated Specification cams, and what do you see?
Ahh..something looks familiar doesn't it?
Numbers, powerband curves, the color of the chart...everything is identical to Ya's original chart. BC didn't even do a half-assed attempt of photoshop work to try to at least differentiate things a bit. Tsk tsk.
Now if you take a look at the bottom notes, you'd notice that although BC acknowledges the presence of a stroker kit, he claims that a part of that massive power increase was a result of his very own BC0062 Stage 3 cams and BC0040 titanium valvetrain set. And that doesn't even make any sense because if you keep reading the footnote, it says STOCK HEAD, stock intake manifold...etc.
Which is also inconsistent with Ya's original report that the 300rwhp stroker ran on a STOCK HEAD.
Hmmmmmm...
lol I love this smilie Now I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say MAYBE, just MAYBE there is a justifiable explanation behind all this..perhaps Brian Crower, whose shop is located in San Diego in the sunny state of California, has somehow joined business ventures with InlinePro, which is located in Virginia. But I find this to be highly doubtful as BC has already lost ALL credibility in my eyes considering how his previous batch of camshafts had lost power all throughout the powerband. And he just so thought it would be a brilliant idea to release it to the public without any real proper r&d work.
I had NO IDEA this guy would ever stoop to something this low to sell a product.
I thought the BC name was a respectable name within the Honda/Acura community for the longest time. I have even conversed with him via email about half a year ago and he genuinely seemed like a nice and knowledgeable guy. Your thoughts?
Just a possability?
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08-30-2007, 07:08 AM
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Hello everyone,
From the get go we were working with Brian on these cams. They were successful and we sent Brian the dyno chart. I did not release the name of the cams until Brian was ready to, so now that he has posted the dyno chart, I want S2ki to know we used Brian Crowers Stage 3.
Also with the confusion of the "stock head" portion -
We have always used the term stock head as in a stock head, no port work, no valve job done to it. We did not mention stock valve train (in which would refer to the cams, springs and retainers...)
The car was dyno'd on a stock s2000 head with no port work, and without a valve job. But it had cams and various valvetrain installed.
Hope this clears up this thread, and BC has been a good company to work with.
From the get go we were working with Brian on these cams. They were successful and we sent Brian the dyno chart. I did not release the name of the cams until Brian was ready to, so now that he has posted the dyno chart, I want S2ki to know we used Brian Crowers Stage 3.
Also with the confusion of the "stock head" portion -
We have always used the term stock head as in a stock head, no port work, no valve job done to it. We did not mention stock valve train (in which would refer to the cams, springs and retainers...)
The car was dyno'd on a stock s2000 head with no port work, and without a valve job. But it had cams and various valvetrain installed.
Hope this clears up this thread, and BC has been a good company to work with.
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08-30-2007, 08:29 AM
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Ah, I see. 
If you guys weren't so 'hush-hush' about your cam testing in the first place, I wouldn't have misunderstood this whole thing.
I was also under the impression that stock head = literally, a stock head. Thanks for clarifying
But now that I have IP's attention...any recent updates with the 2.7L monster?
If you guys weren't so 'hush-hush' about your cam testing in the first place, I wouldn't have misunderstood this whole thing.
I was also under the impression that stock head = literally, a stock head. Thanks for clarifying
But now that I have IP's attention...any recent updates with the 2.7L monster?
08-30-2007, 08:39 AM
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If you actually go back and re-read the thread you posted above about Ya's stroker kit, you will see numerous times Ya mentions the use of cams.
Go back to his other thread that follows the build up and you will see many members guessing the type of cams used in the build. Of course we would not release the name of the cams until they are proven to work.
Nothing shady going on here...But glad we got the misunderstanding straightned out.
-Chris
Go back to his other thread that follows the build up and you will see many members guessing the type of cams used in the build. Of course we would not release the name of the cams until they are proven to work.
Nothing shady going on here...But glad we got the misunderstanding straightned out.
-Chris