project Mu BBK
pfds2k, I believe the 345mm PMu kit works with 17" CE28Ns, but you have to go with a low offset, a +40 I think. I plan on running the 17x9" +54 (F/R), which apparently clear the Spoon calipers. Or maybe 17x9" +54 (F)/+40
So you aren't getting the mu brake kit? You say you need at least a 40 offset yet you are getting a 54 or 63. And as far as the 17x9 +54 will require more then a little finess cause the aj raceing car uses 17x8.5 + 50 and it requires wide fenders. Let us know what you decide to do and how it turns out.
Unless I win the lottery soon, I won't be getting the PMu kit, even at my sponsoship price.
Thats why I'm going with a higher offset wheel of some sort.
The reason why the AJ-R car has the ASM wide fenders on it is because they're running spacers with the Spoon caliper. I guess with a 17x8.5" +50, you need a spacer. This is why I was curious on how the 17x9" +54 spoke design was different enough to allow the Spoon caliper to fit without a spacer. My guess is AJ-R just wanted to be on the safe side. Maybe Ben can chime in on how much clearance he has.
The reason why I was considering a 17x9" +54 all around is the ability to rotate wheels front to back to help tire wear issues. If I decided to not be a wimp about tire wear; the +54 front/+40 rear would allow me to run Spoon calipers and get a track increase in the rear. A 17x9" +54 in the front will require some good rolling, but again, dependant on your setup. And, finally, the +63 front/+40 rear would be for OEM calipers/fenders, and getting the track increase in the rear, which is how Amuse setup one of their cars with the radial setting (7K/8K) coilovers that I have on my car. All the above would be run with 255/40/17 tires (either Advan Neova or Bridgestone RE-01R when they come out)...
Anyway, I hope this cleared things up for you.
-Andrew
Thats why I'm going with a higher offset wheel of some sort. The reason why the AJ-R car has the ASM wide fenders on it is because they're running spacers with the Spoon caliper. I guess with a 17x8.5" +50, you need a spacer. This is why I was curious on how the 17x9" +54 spoke design was different enough to allow the Spoon caliper to fit without a spacer. My guess is AJ-R just wanted to be on the safe side. Maybe Ben can chime in on how much clearance he has.
The reason why I was considering a 17x9" +54 all around is the ability to rotate wheels front to back to help tire wear issues. If I decided to not be a wimp about tire wear; the +54 front/+40 rear would allow me to run Spoon calipers and get a track increase in the rear. A 17x9" +54 in the front will require some good rolling, but again, dependant on your setup. And, finally, the +63 front/+40 rear would be for OEM calipers/fenders, and getting the track increase in the rear, which is how Amuse setup one of their cars with the radial setting (7K/8K) coilovers that I have on my car. All the above would be run with 255/40/17 tires (either Advan Neova or Bridgestone RE-01R when they come out)...
Anyway, I hope this cleared things up for you.
-Andrew
I havnt read any thing really except rims sizes and what not in this thread, but maybe I cna help out with that... Currently I'm running 17x7.5 in the front and 17x8.5 in the back with plus +35 offset all the way around. I'm currently fitting these sizes with out flared fenders. But I did need a fender roll (or cut on the inside) and some agressive camber and I'm not rubbing any more. I'm planning on slamming it again soon, but these advan tires have strange side walls and stick out too much. So I'm gonna go to a 245/40 tire in the back (from a 235/45 with wierd side walls) with side walls that wont stick out and I think with those I will be able to slam the car with out rubbing. You can see how they fit in the pic in my sig. Maybe that can help some people out
Originally Posted by suterusu,Jan 30 2006, 09:35 PM
Thanks for this information, I was looking all over for it! I just figured out what size to order.
BTW, I'll be using the OEM suspension with this, then going to the KW's and lowering an 1.5" at the most.
Hey suterusu the aj racing car does not use spacers with the 17x8.5 +50 and the spoon brakes. They do use spacers when they use the 17x7.5 +43 up front and that is only a 3mm spacer. If you choose just about any wheel offset that can clear the spoon calipers "finess" will be an under statement to fit them on a lowered car without wide fenders. You can roll them but you will probably have to roll the hell out of them, not just a minor adjustment. Check out aj-racing.com or
QUOTE (pfds2k @ Dec 21 2005, 02:45 PM)
Why does J's racing use the spoon calipers? The front wheel offset is 17x8.5 +25 right? Can you fit the J's racing brake kit (basically Endless) behind the a ce28n of that siza or what?
You can fit CE28N 17x8.5 +50 offset with no spacers to clear both calipers.
Just a few pics show you guys that I have for the J's calipers
QUOTE (pfds2k @ Dec 21 2005, 02:45 PM)
Why does J's racing use the spoon calipers? The front wheel offset is 17x8.5 +25 right? Can you fit the J's racing brake kit (basically Endless) behind the a ce28n of that siza or what?
You can fit CE28N 17x8.5 +50 offset with no spacers to clear both calipers.
Just a few pics show you guys that I have for the J's calipers
Just a note, J's Racing uses a 8.5" wide wheel in front for a more direct steering feel and a 9.5 width wheel in the rear for a more planted feel, so as a budget racer, I'd suggest a 9" wheels all the way around for the best of both worlds.
Originally Posted by pfds2k,Feb 1 2006, 04:32 PM
Hey suterusu the aj racing car does not use spacers with the 17x8.5 +50 and the spoon brakes. They do use spacers when they use the 17x7.5 +43 up front and that is only a 3mm spacer. If you choose just about any wheel offset that can clear the spoon calipers "finess" will be an under statement to fit them on a lowered car without wide fenders. You can roll them but you will probably have to roll the hell out of them, not just a minor adjustment. Check out aj-racing.com or
QUOTE (pfds2k @ Dec 21 2005, 02:45 PM)
Why does J's racing use the spoon calipers? The front wheel offset is 17x8.5 +25 right? Can you fit the J's racing brake kit (basically Endless) behind the a ce28n of that siza or what?
You can fit CE28N 17x8.5 +50 offset with no spacers to clear both calipers.
Just a few pics show you guys that I have for the J's calipers
QUOTE (pfds2k @ Dec 21 2005, 02:45 PM)
Why does J's racing use the spoon calipers? The front wheel offset is 17x8.5 +25 right? Can you fit the J's racing brake kit (basically Endless) behind the a ce28n of that siza or what?
You can fit CE28N 17x8.5 +50 offset with no spacers to clear both calipers.
Just a few pics show you guys that I have for the J's calipers
Keep your options open. Try Work, Prodrive, Mugen, Spoon, etc...




