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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 09:00 AM
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Hey guys,

So after reading a ton of different threads it looks like UK Spec alignment is a nice setup for a good portion of the S2 community, with that said I have a few questions.

My S is daily driven and it is lowered on Espelirs which give it a 0.7f and 1.2r drop. I'm putting on 255s w/ 215s on the front sometime next week and I was wondering if the UK Spec would be a good alignment setup for everyday use?

I would like to get good tire wear out of them although I'm reading that tire wear is a bit quicker with UK Spec. Am I just better off sticking to OEM spec?

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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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If you do any aggressive driving ever the UK spec will be more than fine.

Heck I ran -2.5f and -3.3r on my first wheel setup and I actually got fairly even wear across the tire. I'd say the very inside wore about 10-15% faster but then I just flipped the tires.

I say go for the UK spec alignment.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 02:05 PM
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UK Alignment was originally designed for stock AP1s (if you've researched, you'll see why).

The only thing that kills your tire wear is camber and toe (+/- aggressive driving). The alignment itself is pretty mild and good for daily and "sporty" driving.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 05:09 PM
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Ya, the rear toe is very aggressive so that will kill your tires...you may not want to get that as much.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TKim103,Sep 27 2010, 06:05 PM
UK Alignment was originally designed for stock AP1s (if you've researched, you'll see why).

The only thing that kills your tire wear is camber and toe (+/- aggressive driving). The alignment itself is pretty mild and good for daily and "sporty" driving.
Yeah I will say the was geared toward AP1 guys but over time it looks like AP2 guys are running the setup.

Steve, I really don't plan on doing any aggressive driving. The most aggessive driving I do is hit on ramps hard lol.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TKim103,Sep 27 2010, 05:05 PM
The only thing that kills your tire wear is camber and toe (+/- aggressive driving). The alignment itself is pretty mild and good for daily and "sporty" driving.
Heroic...

But the UK spec is pretty much exactly my setup except for daily driving I have zero toe in the rear and half a degree in the front, running 215/245 tires. My tires are wearing perfectly flat. The car tends towards slight initial under steer but holds the corner well. For daily driving (and tire wear) I thoroughly enjoy it.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 06:46 PM
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it all depends on your driving style.

i run

front
-2.2 camber
max caster
.15 toe out

rear
-2.5 camber
.15 toe in

my tires wear perfectly even, im running 255's all around non staggard
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aeonracer,Sep 27 2010, 09:36 PM
Heroic...

But the UK spec is pretty much exactly my setup except for daily driving I have zero toe in the rear and half a degree in the front, running 215/245 tires. My tires are wearing perfectly flat. The car tends towards slight initial under steer but holds the corner well. For daily driving (and tire wear) I thoroughly enjoy it.
Zero toe in the rear does not equal understeer. It's quite the opposite, all things considered equal. Not only is this the case in theory, but in practice- speaking from experience.

For the front, you have half of what? Toe in or toe out? I'm guessing toe out. Generally, we all have zero toe in the front and some toe in in the rear.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 04:36 AM
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It isn't the rear toe that is equaling the slight understeer. It's the 1/2 degree of toe in in the front. Toe out might be nice for an auto x to get the car to have some more initial turn in, but for daily driving its completely unnecessary. I prefer the stable feeling and, like I said, slight initial understeer, for daily driving.

I run the zero toe in the rear for tire wear, and tire wear only. The reality is, with 70k miles on the clock my bushings are probably worn down enough that I have a "dynamic" suspension characteristics to some extent.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 02:35 PM
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After much debate (with myself), I have decide to get the OEM US Spec alignment. I read about 15-20 different threads with all different kinds of opinions.

I came to the conclusion that even though the UK spec alignment is a great setup, its really not my style because I really dont do any agressive driving or have any need for it.

With that said, I have a appt with All Aspect Motorsports in Chesapeake to do my alignment next Wednesday. I hear they do good work.
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