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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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I think that i need about 4 million to retire on in about 20 years, assuming that either I or the better half live to be about 90 years old. Talking to others, that's about the same number that they came up with. What's so special about 4 million?
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:57 PM
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$4M x 4.5% = $180K/year in income from a bond heavy portfolio. If you want a $100K/year income you only need $2.2M. US treasuries are currently yielding 4.5%ish. If rates get cut that could go down to 3.8-4.2%. $3M is a safe bet but it depends on how much income you want/need for your retirement lifestyle.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Problem is, you're not factoring in inflation. $180k/yr in 20 years isn't anything close to what $180k/yr is today.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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But if you are retiring now, you may only be around for 20 years. At that point you can start dipping into the original $4M maybe.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 02:47 PM
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[QUOTE=QUIKAG,Apr 22 2007, 02:01 PM] Problem is, you're not factoring in inflation.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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I'd like about 30 million when all is said and done.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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On inflation, Since this a car site... In 1985 the average cost of a new car was $9600, and Jeep was advertising "8.5% in '85." In 20 years, the average price of a new car has trippled. ...So, in 20 years if that happens again, and new car prices are a decent measure of the kind of inflation that I care about, then $180,000 might be worth $60,000 or so.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 06:58 PM
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Sounds about right
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DryCycle,Apr 22 2007, 06:47 PM
On inflation, Since this a car site... In 1985 the average cost of a new car was $9600, and Jeep was advertising "8.5% in '85." In 20 years, the average price of a new car has trippled. ...So, in 20 years if that happens again, and new car prices are a decent measure of the kind of inflation that I care about, then $180,000 might be worth $60,000 or so.
this seems about right since every decade it suppose to double..
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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Two doubles is x4...

Either way, that's going to a lot of bills for that Ferrari...
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