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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 06:21 AM
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if you give someone enough rope sooner or later will hang themselves

am i damn no....
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 06:25 AM
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Details man... we need details to properly comprehend.
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 06:37 AM
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here's the start

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=297808

my boss felt we should grant one more chance -


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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 06:39 AM
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I'll make a guess. My guess is that the employee who was the source of much aggravation has done herself in.

Boards have been quiet. Is everyone working while at work?

Edit: you beat me with your second post, I was still typing.

Is there a prize for a correct guess?
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 06:44 AM
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yes

dipped oreos!!

updated my thread in Vintage
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bass,Jul 22 2005, 10:44 AM
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dipped oreos!!

updated my thread in Vintage


Start dipping those Oreos. You can bring me some next Saturday.
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 07:03 AM
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Wow... that sounds like a horrible place to work. You can't drink or blow off seminars? If I worked there I'd have no fun at all like I do now when my company sends me to places like Vegas.
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 07:11 AM
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Erik you hiring??
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 07:50 AM
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I thought this was pretty universal. Whenever the schedule for the last day of a seminar reads something like, "Open Workshop" it's really code for, "Go out and enjoy the pool or something"
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 08:45 AM
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a little little to the party but.
unfortunately I think it will always be a double standard in the world of "exempt" employees, if you are percieved as a productive worker to the "right people", things like blowing off the "open workshop" could be as eric put's it universal. or showing up perpetually 15 min late be fine (as long as you weren't overall shorting the company hours).
Clearly the same actions for a worker not percieved as productive, will be used as grounds for termination. I think however that this double standard basically allows employers to "reprimand" for un-productivity in an evironment where productivity is not tallied up in terms of wigets assembled. I don't know what type of work the woman in question performs but as a design engineer, I need freedom to be perhaps unproductive on a 1 or 2 day scale but average out my productivity over a larger scale, and this grey area becomes the judgement call of management.
Steve's lack of support from his boss tells me, they either don't agree she is a problem,and are playing the "I agree but but can't because....." game with steve (pussies for not telling him so), or do agree but aren't willing to take the right action (fear of .....).
I suppose it's resolved itself now, but unless they specifically said "steve, we think she sux too, and will be documenting issues XYZ so we can terminate her without a lawsuit" you need to have a talk with them about what value they put on your judgement of your workers"
oh by the way are we paying you guys on time yet
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