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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by my2ks2k,Sep 16 2009, 08:54 PM
you mean differently
No, you can't know something differently. Knowing is knowing.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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[QUOTE=magician,Sep 16 2009, 12:21 PM] I studied Koine Greek for a year in University, and would love to become fluent in Modern Greek, if only the opportunity arose.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:09 PM
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was this you on facebook?

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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by foxy_s2k,Sep 16 2009, 12:03 PM
No, you can't know something differently.
That's probably not true.

You can know something through personal experience, for example, or you can know it through study. The manner of knowledge is different, as is its substance.

I know Greek differently than you: I know it from studying it in a classroom; you know it from speaking it in daily conversation.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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Yes, but think about it like this. I know water is wet. I can't 'know' this in a different manner, knowing it is knowing it. The method of learning is irrelevant. That's my view on this one.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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I know this thread is about as exciting as an English textbook.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by heathas2k,Sep 16 2009, 10:09 PM
was this you on facebook?

lol, no. I hate facebook even more than adult illiteracy.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The Raptor,Sep 16 2009, 12:08 PM
I studied Homeric Greek for two years in high school. We read homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey, two of the most colorful, powerful stories ever written, in Greek.
Homeric Greek is probably more closely related (or identical) to Attic Greek: the Greek of the theater, of the courts, of royalty, and so on.

Koine is common Greek: the Greek of shopping lists, and the Bible.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by foxy_s2k,Sep 16 2009, 12:14 PM
Yes, but think about it like this. I know water is wet. I can't 'know' this in a different manner, knowing it is knowing it. The method of learning is irrelevant. That's my view on this one.
Knowing a simple fact in isolation is different from knowing an entire theory. A physicist who understands molecular cohesion and adhesion and menisci and so on also knows that water is wet, but he knows it in a manner that is quite removed from the manner in which you (and I) know it. If you studied the physics of liquids you quite likely could know that water is wet in a very different manner than you do now.

To say that "knowing is knowing" is an oversimplification.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:35 PM
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Fair enough, well argued point, I see what you mean. However, the result is the same, water is still wet. Does knowing the reason that water is wet constitute knowing that water is wet somehow differently from someone else who also knows water is wet, but doesn't know why? I'd say its debatable and under different contexts we both have a point.
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