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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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But that form of artificial gravity doesn't do dick to help alter other forces such as acceleration or deceleration of the whole ship. It has limited value (space stations or mid-transit coasting).
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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well you could put on magnetic shoes?!
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Penforhire,Feb 6 2008, 10:32 AM
But that form of artificial gravity doesn't do dick to help alter other forces such as acceleration or deceleration of the whole ship. It has limited value (space stations or mid-transit coasting).
He didn't ask about grav or anti-grav propulsion. Just "Artificial gravity", which was explained in the second post.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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I recently saw a show on Discovery or some such channel about a possible manned mission to Mars and some of the dangers, one of them being muscle and bone density loss due to an extended period of zero-gravity. As raj said, NASA uses rotation to create artifical gravity but is currently working on a vessel that will simulate gravity without making the astronauts sick. Pretty interesting stuff.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by YoZUpZ,Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM
Mass is not "what creates gravity" . . . .
The force of gravity is proportional to mass; mass is what creates gravity.

Originally Posted by YoZUpZ,Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM
. . . a tiny piece of lead creates more gravity than a large amount of cotton.
The reason that a small piece of lead creates more gravity than a large amount of cotton is that the small piece of lead has more mass. Ten grams of lead and ten grams of cotton produce the same amount of gravity.

Originally Posted by YoZUpZ,Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM
The density of an object has a huge influence on the gravity it creates...
Only if you insist on comparing objects by their volumes - a distinctly bizarre means of comparison in context. Objects of equal mass produce equal gravity; density be cursed.

Originally Posted by YoZUpZ,Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM
For example, White dwarf and black dwarf stars are tiny in comparison to our sun, yet have much more gravity.
Because they're more massive.

Originally Posted by YoZUpZ,Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM
This is because they are so dense. Black holes for example, are really small in size, (they are collapsed stars just like dwarf stars), but are so dense that they pull even light in that passes by them...
They produce more gravity because they have more mass. They're smaller in volume because they're more dense.

Originally Posted by duboseq,Feb 6 2008, 05:53 AM
Mass is still part of the equation though as well as density.
Mass and distance are the only parts of the equation. The force of gravity between two objects of masses m1 and m2 respectively separated by a distance of r is F = (G * m1 * m2) / r^2, where G is a constant (that depends only on the units of measurement for mass, distance, and force). Note that density doesn't appear.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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magician beat me to the punch but the equation for the force of gravity is

F=Gmm/r^2

Density has nothing to do with that equation.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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The fun bit with a black hole vs a red supergiant is that you can get much, much closer to 100% of the mass of a black hole. Think of a red supergiant that's 651 million miles across - if you could get to 100 miles from the center of that object, you'll have mass evenly distributed around you, for a net gravitation force of essentially zero. Now, concentrate that mass into a black hole - when you're 100 miles from that object, ALL the mass will be on one side of you and exerting an absolutely huge force on you.

Getting back to the original question - the current theory of gravity, from what I understand, doesn't allow for any anti-gravity, artificial gravity, or gravity/mass nullification like you see in some science fiction.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Feb 6 2008, 08:00 PM
. . . the current theory of gravity, from what I understand, doesn't allow for any anti-gravity, artificial gravity, or gravity/mass nullification like you see in some science fiction.
Yup.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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Of course, there's always the theory of intelligent falling...
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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Quite the interesting topic, and good discussion so far. Magician seems to have it pretty much locked down. I do think the centripetal force idea seems as close as we can get. After all, gravity is just an acceleration force, same as a centripetal.

It's also quite interesting that of the 4 known natural forces (gravitation, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear) gravity is the one that we are the most familiar with, and yet we know the least about. I guess since we cannot really manipulate it to produce usable energy, nobody seems too concerned about it.
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