Bin Laden tape
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From: On the lakefront...
le car, are you suggesting that this tape is a fabrication? If so, by whom? And what if it is? Should the campaign against him cease? What does your term "suspicious" mean? What are you implying?
I believe the tape is authentic...
I also think a couple of things here. This mother of all mf'ers never ever thought he would be caught. His attitude, even since the FIRST time he bombed the WTC, was one of invincibility. He was doing Allah's work, after all! He never thought he would be caught, and therefore, IMO, never believed that a video tape would be the final nail is his coffin. I didn't need another nail and I wasn't surprised by the content of the video. What did people expect him to be like?! Sure, it's the first time that people in America heard him actually speak and were able to hear and see his mannerisms, etc. But at least for me, the tape wasn't a surprise, it wasn't even a shock. I was surprised that even though this pathetic excuse for a human being killed a friend of mine, my reaction to the tape wasn't as chilling as I thought it would be. It was just further proof in a case that had already been proven...
And given the air of invincibility brought on by his pathological righteousness, he grossly misunderstood what kind of hellfire would rain down upon him and his perverted cause...as the world's fury was unloaded onto him. Death is too good for this guy and that's something that I knew before I saw the tape...I suppose others just needed some more convincing. I didn't...
I believe the tape is authentic...
I also think a couple of things here. This mother of all mf'ers never ever thought he would be caught. His attitude, even since the FIRST time he bombed the WTC, was one of invincibility. He was doing Allah's work, after all! He never thought he would be caught, and therefore, IMO, never believed that a video tape would be the final nail is his coffin. I didn't need another nail and I wasn't surprised by the content of the video. What did people expect him to be like?! Sure, it's the first time that people in America heard him actually speak and were able to hear and see his mannerisms, etc. But at least for me, the tape wasn't a surprise, it wasn't even a shock. I was surprised that even though this pathetic excuse for a human being killed a friend of mine, my reaction to the tape wasn't as chilling as I thought it would be. It was just further proof in a case that had already been proven...
And given the air of invincibility brought on by his pathological righteousness, he grossly misunderstood what kind of hellfire would rain down upon him and his perverted cause...as the world's fury was unloaded onto him. Death is too good for this guy and that's something that I knew before I saw the tape...I suppose others just needed some more convincing. I didn't...
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From: Las Olas and Brickell, FL
I'm not saying he didn't do it, I just find this tape thing a bit strange
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From: Laurel
Obviously, none of us care whether the tape is authentic and we're all glad that today might be the day that the bastard gets his.
That said I think we'd have to agree that:
1. The tape could be genuine. It is just how a meglomaniac WOULD act.
2. This is just the kind of thing that ANY propoganda office of any country might (and should) produce. In fact, this is the purpose of this office of the military. It is an effective weapon of war used in many past conflicts by us and others. If it is fake, good job!
In case this idea bothers you, think of it this way. You can't really decide that it is OK to kill someone but it's not OK to lie about them. Neither idea is far outside the realm of possiblity. We'll probably find out when we're 80.
That said I think we'd have to agree that:
1. The tape could be genuine. It is just how a meglomaniac WOULD act.
2. This is just the kind of thing that ANY propoganda office of any country might (and should) produce. In fact, this is the purpose of this office of the military. It is an effective weapon of war used in many past conflicts by us and others. If it is fake, good job!
In case this idea bothers you, think of it this way. You can't really decide that it is OK to kill someone but it's not OK to lie about them. Neither idea is far outside the realm of possiblity. We'll probably find out when we're 80.
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From: West Mids.
Originally posted by Tedow
And by the way, what's Timisoara? (seriously...never heard of that before)
And by the way, what's Timisoara? (seriously...never heard of that before)
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From: Phoenix
Originally posted by le car
Anyone else finds this a bit bizzare?
This is all very suspicious to me.
Anyone else finds this a bit bizzare?
This is all very suspicious to me.
One thought: what motivation is there to release a fake tape? Americans and our allies (well, except for the French left, which claims that we are nerve-gassing the Afghanis) already are convinced that OBL did it. Most Muslims in the Middle East won't believe he is guilty even if OBL gets on Al-Jazeera and confesses on live TV.
Since the tape changes nothing, why would the government bother to release a fake tape, when a forgery would eventually be caught?
Remember Ocham's Razor.
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Originally posted by Cedric Tomkinson
The main thing IMHO is that Bin Laden needs to be shown to be clearly and proveably dead!! The thing I fear is that he may escape to some safe haven as Idi Amin did, or that some mangled corpse will eventually be produced which is thought to be that of Bin Laden. The last thing we need is a new following springing up on the back of some 'Adolf still lives' theory.
The main thing IMHO is that Bin Laden needs to be shown to be clearly and proveably dead!! The thing I fear is that he may escape to some safe haven as Idi Amin did, or that some mangled corpse will eventually be produced which is thought to be that of Bin Laden. The last thing we need is a new following springing up on the back of some 'Adolf still lives' theory.
Also, as far as the two week delay goes, there were four people working on the translations. Don't think many Americans speak the language. FWIW, the tape seemed legit to me. Just some OBL groupie recording something for prosperity and an arrogant, pompous ass spouting his garbage. Regardless, it would not have mattered. There's hardly any doubt about his complicity. The remaining question is who else was involved.
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Found it at
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Excerpt:
Bin Laden: Surrounded or Out of Afghanistan?
If bin Laden is with the al Qaeda forces holding out on the Tora Bora ridge and is killed, one problem for the U.S. government is proving that he is in fact dead
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Excerpt:
Bin Laden: Surrounded or Out of Afghanistan?
If bin Laden is with the al Qaeda forces holding out on the Tora Bora ridge and is killed, one problem for the U.S. government is proving that he is in fact dead