Chicken or the egg?
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Greg, how life was initially created isn't really the point. Even if you believe in creationism it still doesn't change the FACT that evolution does happen. There are books and books for proof that creatures do evolve. Now there are lots of holes on both sides as to where these creatures came from. They could have been planted here by some deity, they could have evolved from a simple form of life, or even possible is that the starts of complex life from simple life was given a kick start by a third part (god if you like).
Many people blindly read the bible that says the world was created in 6 days. No where in the bible does it define what exactly a day is and most likely was modified in the thousands of groups whom translated and modified the bible to fit their agenda. So who is to say that the first day actually is a couple million years and the second and so on?
All that aside IF creationism is true. Any smart deity if you think about it would write its programs to update themselves to encounter changing environment. I mean this person is all powerful and is able to create life, it sure would be short sighted of him/her/them to not design these creatures to cope and adapt to an environment that is constantly changing.
Many people blindly read the bible that says the world was created in 6 days. No where in the bible does it define what exactly a day is and most likely was modified in the thousands of groups whom translated and modified the bible to fit their agenda. So who is to say that the first day actually is a couple million years and the second and so on?
All that aside IF creationism is true. Any smart deity if you think about it would write its programs to update themselves to encounter changing environment. I mean this person is all powerful and is able to create life, it sure would be short sighted of him/her/them to not design these creatures to cope and adapt to an environment that is constantly changing.
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Rylan, read my post...I said that I wasn't discrediting "adaptation" ... I differentiate that from evolution, a distinction that others may not draw. I think it would be foolish to say that adaptation doesn't occur.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gregstevens
[B]Rylan, read my post...I said that I wasn't discrediting "adaptation" ... I differentiate that from evolution, a distinction that others may not draw.
[B]Rylan, read my post...I said that I wasn't discrediting "adaptation" ... I differentiate that from evolution, a distinction that others may not draw.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gregstevens
[B]Rylan, read my post...I said that I wasn't discrediting "adaptation" ... I differentiate that from evolution, a distinction that others may not draw.
[B]Rylan, read my post...I said that I wasn't discrediting "adaptation" ... I differentiate that from evolution, a distinction that others may not draw.
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The pre-chicken is something else. Some other bird. Being that I don't know the chickens "Adapation" history, I called this creature a pre-chicken.
Look at dogs, very few of the current house hold species EVER existed in the wild. They were bred from different wild dogs. So the first Mr Pockets came from cross breading and evolution.
err Adapation
Look at dogs, very few of the current house hold species EVER existed in the wild. They were bred from different wild dogs. So the first Mr Pockets came from cross breading and evolution.
err Adapation
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gregstevens
[B]...I mean the tress, the animals, the clouds, the universe and galaxies, all of it, exists as the result of an almost imperceptibly huge number of conditions which had to exist in order to bring life and all that surrounds it into existence as we know it today.
[B]...I mean the tress, the animals, the clouds, the universe and galaxies, all of it, exists as the result of an almost imperceptibly huge number of conditions which had to exist in order to bring life and all that surrounds it into existence as we know it today.
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Greg, I like your watch analogy. Reminds me of the same thing explained as a dissolved bar of soap re-appearing spontaneously. Or that a large body of water could all-at-once move 10 miles West. Could happen but not likely.
As impossible as something may be statistically, the very success of statistics proves something absurd, like your watch situation, is possible. Eventually someone wins every state lottery game, despite the odds against winning being essentially impossible.
I used to love these deep physics-style questions in school. Kind of useless out in the real world (apologies to the high energy physists among us). My favorite unanswered conundrum involves the wave nature of matter. If it is possible to generate a particle from energy (decay for example). And then if I accept the wave nature of matter (Schroedinger's equations). Then that generated particle has a wave function indicating some probability of it being located anywhere from its point of origin to an infinite distance away. The probability quickly drops to absurdly low levels but there is that POSSIBILITY (otherwise semiconductor tunneling wouldn't work). The conundrum, to me, is how is it that an instantly generated particle has a probability of being found in an infinite space without travelling faster than the speed of light. I mean, the wave function of this hypothetical particle just set itself up and already it extends, however minscule in probability, to the ends of the universe. Weird eh?
As impossible as something may be statistically, the very success of statistics proves something absurd, like your watch situation, is possible. Eventually someone wins every state lottery game, despite the odds against winning being essentially impossible.
I used to love these deep physics-style questions in school. Kind of useless out in the real world (apologies to the high energy physists among us). My favorite unanswered conundrum involves the wave nature of matter. If it is possible to generate a particle from energy (decay for example). And then if I accept the wave nature of matter (Schroedinger's equations). Then that generated particle has a wave function indicating some probability of it being located anywhere from its point of origin to an infinite distance away. The probability quickly drops to absurdly low levels but there is that POSSIBILITY (otherwise semiconductor tunneling wouldn't work). The conundrum, to me, is how is it that an instantly generated particle has a probability of being found in an infinite space without travelling faster than the speed of light. I mean, the wave function of this hypothetical particle just set itself up and already it extends, however minscule in probability, to the ends of the universe. Weird eh?
