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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 11:22 AM
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What about putting the magnets and everything else needed to generate electricity, in the wheels of the car. As it moves down the highway, it is generating power again...
The problem is with all the extra weight and friction involved.

It will generate power as you move down the highway, but you'll be using more power to move down the highway.
Correct. But my system would exploit inefficiencies which all ready exist, creating energy without causing much if any additional drag or friction which would require more energy than what is produced.
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by luder_5555
What about putting the magnets and everything else needed to generate electricity, in the wheels of the car. As it moves down the highway, it is generating power again...
The problem is with all the extra weight and friction involved.

It will generate power as you move down the highway, but you'll be using more power to move down the highway.
Correct. But my system would exploit inefficiencies which all ready exist, creating energy without causing much if any additional drag or friction which would require more energy than what is produced.

Improving the efficiency would help get more miles to the gallon of fuel (or miles to the kilowatt if the car is all electric).

But you would not be creating energy.

The energy has to come from somewhere, either the fuel you put in the car (gas, diesel, vegetable oil, etc.) or electricity from a power plant when you plug the car into an outlet. You can't generate enough energy from regenerative breaking to keep the car going forever, you'll eventually run out of fuel and the car will come to a stop.
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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^ My plan would not involve making the car more aerodynamic, or more efficient. It would involve adding something to the car that creates more electricity than the added power needed to drive the car would be. Overall the car would still be draining the battery, but at a slower rate since there would be an extra amount of energy being created.

So basically, if your freeway range was 100 miles, my system would extend that to 110 or 120 or possibly even better. I just can't get my hands on light weight low friction generators. (And no it doesn't have anything to do with the wheels, brakes, or other spinning components of the car. And no I am not going to give better specifics because I am not going to watch someone else with funding take my idea and become a billionaire... )
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 05:16 PM
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Haha, if someone is desperate enough, you could "steal" power from telephone lines and use the water pressure in the water lines to make your own power?
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 05:49 PM
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Haha, if someone is desperate enough, you could "steal" power from telephone lines and use the water pressure in the water lines to make your own power?
You could but if you used the water pressure in the water lines you'd have a hell of large water bill.

Also if you used the strong magnetic field under high tension power lines (just bring a fluorescent tube under some high tension power lines to see it light up) to steal some power, the power company would notice it since it would decrease the amount of electricity running through their lines.
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by luder_5555
^ My plan would not involve making the car more aerodynamic, or more efficient. It would involve adding something to the car that creates more electricity than the added power needed to drive the car would be. Overall the car would still be draining the battery, but at a slower rate since there would be an extra amount of energy being created.

So basically, if your freeway range was 100 miles, my system would extend that to 110 or 120 or possibly even better. I just can't get my hands on light weight low friction generators. (And no it doesn't have anything to do with the wheels, brakes, or other spinning components of the car. And no I am not going to give better specifics because I am not going to watch someone else with funding take my idea and become a billionaire... )

If you could do that you'd win the Nobel prize in physics.

You can make the car more efficient but it will never have greater than 100% efficiency.

You can't create energy, you can just transform it from one form to another. There is only so much energy in a gallon of gasoline.

If you could completely eliminate friction you'd be on to something. Unfortunately that doesn't exist in the real world, entropy gets in the way.
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 09:30 PM
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You can make the car more efficient but it will never have greater than 100% efficiency.
Is your reading comprehension really that low, or did I just do a terrible job describing it?

The way that I meant to phrase it, and thought that I had, possibly not clearly enough, is that the amount of energy produced would not be more than the extra energy needed to overcome the extra friction created by the device.

It would not make the car run forever, it would extend the range by a percentage.

Whether or not it would actually work, who knows. It seems like it should in my eyes, but getting people to buy into it has been difficult. And without having the ability to do real world testing, I have no way of proving it. (or disproving it)
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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 02:49 AM
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luder, you can PM me if you want - I won't steal it, I can tell you if its (in my not so expert opinion) if its doable or not. My credentials are...not very impressive, working on a masters in mechanical engineering...but I am very interested in alternative/renewable energy. Plus, I think if there was ever a patent lawsuit against someone and you can prove you were working on it first, you win. That is, unless you make it "public knowledge" by posting it on here (public message board) or by publishing a paper on it. I'm fairly certain a PM is not considered public. If you really want to protect yourself, you need like a notarized envelope that shows what you're working on/concept/?? thats unopened (heard it works sometimes from a patent attorney).
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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by luder_5555
You can make the car more efficient but it will never have greater than 100% efficiency.
Is your reading comprehension really that low, or did I just do a terrible job describing it?

The way that I meant to phrase it, and thought that I had, possibly not clearly enough, is that the amount of energy produced would not be more than the extra energy needed to overcome the extra friction created by the device.

It would not make the car run forever, it would extend the range by a percentage.

Whether or not it would actually work, who knows. It seems like it should in my eyes, but getting people to buy into it has been difficult. And without having the ability to do real world testing, I have no way of proving it. (or disproving it)
Respectfully, you did a terrible job of desccribing it.


If I'm correctly reading what you said ("the amount of energy produced would not be more than the extra energy needed to overcome the extra friction created by the device") means that if, for example, the device produces 10 kW of power, it would need 12 kW to run (or any other amount greater than 10 kW.) Meaning you have a net loss of 2 kW, thereby draining the battery FASTER than if you had no device at all.
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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 09:33 AM
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