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From: Doh!!
Originally Posted by Hootsama,Oct 20 2006, 09:47 AM
And, for whatever it's worth, I don't remember seeing any of your snarky comments on all the posts about people raking Honda over the coals about defects or 'issues' with their S2000s...
most of the people with defective issue (e.g. deal crashed their car) are perfectly happy if Honda gives them a new car. We didn't advice them to ask Honda for extras. They weren't happy if the car was fixed but still has a major defect (bent frame)
people (companies) make mistake. A good company will correct that mistake. Don't expect more.
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From: Land of Cincinnati Chili
Originally Posted by Hootsama,Oct 20 2006, 01:47 PM
That's kind of d!ck response...
A. I would contend that the OP "deserves" to purchase a weapon which is free of defects, operates safely and reliably, and does not require 3-4 weeks time to be lost with a bunch of manufacturer grab-a$$.
B. Said grab-a$$ seems to ME, in MY OPINION, to be worth a gesture above and beyond simple replacement, especially if the weapon owner will have to be without said weapon for an extended period of time. Honestly, I would have to think twice about owning another weapon of the same model as my confidence in their QC would be rattled. That's for the OP to decide, and if you disagree with me, that's fine, but I can do without your self-righteous eye-rolling.
C. Their "good service" remains to be seen. Having a self-defense weapon exhibit a potentially dangerous manufacturing flaw which might present risk to the owner and then leaves him without protection for 3-4 weeks is not 'good service', again IMHO.
If that's the way you roll, God bless ya. If you think the OP should get down on his knees and beg Ruger to play nice because they delivered a defective and dangerous item, fine. I think an additional gesture of good will is not out of line.
And, for whatever it's worth, I don't remember seeing any of your snarky comments on all the posts about people raking Honda over the coals about defects or 'issues' with their S2000s...
A. I would contend that the OP "deserves" to purchase a weapon which is free of defects, operates safely and reliably, and does not require 3-4 weeks time to be lost with a bunch of manufacturer grab-a$$.
B. Said grab-a$$ seems to ME, in MY OPINION, to be worth a gesture above and beyond simple replacement, especially if the weapon owner will have to be without said weapon for an extended period of time. Honestly, I would have to think twice about owning another weapon of the same model as my confidence in their QC would be rattled. That's for the OP to decide, and if you disagree with me, that's fine, but I can do without your self-righteous eye-rolling.
C. Their "good service" remains to be seen. Having a self-defense weapon exhibit a potentially dangerous manufacturing flaw which might present risk to the owner and then leaves him without protection for 3-4 weeks is not 'good service', again IMHO.
If that's the way you roll, God bless ya. If you think the OP should get down on his knees and beg Ruger to play nice because they delivered a defective and dangerous item, fine. I think an additional gesture of good will is not out of line.
And, for whatever it's worth, I don't remember seeing any of your snarky comments on all the posts about people raking Honda over the coals about defects or 'issues' with their S2000s...
Geez, talk about your d!ck responses.
All the company is bound to do is repair or replace the weapon IF it is within a warranty period. Anything more is just good customer relations.
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From: Del Boca Vista
Wow. All I had intended to do with my original response was make a tongue-in-cheek suggestion that the OP should stick it to Ruger a bit if, indeed, they sold him a poorly constructed or defective weapon which is under warranty. I really didn't mean to offend everyone.
Quite honestly, who the hell knows the real story here? For all we know, the OP was firing off flim-flam handloads and cleaning his pistol with a screwdriver (j/k, OP
) ... in which case Ruger owes him nothing...
In any case, I hope you get whatever you 'deserve', OP.
(And for S2020, do a search under 'clutch buzz' to see how folks around here squeezed a bit extra out of Honda...
)
Quite honestly, who the hell knows the real story here? For all we know, the OP was firing off flim-flam handloads and cleaning his pistol with a screwdriver (j/k, OP
) ... in which case Ruger owes him nothing...In any case, I hope you get whatever you 'deserve', OP.
(And for S2020, do a search under 'clutch buzz' to see how folks around here squeezed a bit extra out of Honda...
)
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From: limerick
I've seen some "worn out guns" ones that gunsmiths say should be "tossed" melted down. However I've never seen a defective gun. Of course my experience is limited to a handfull of guns between me and my family/freinds and a lot of police officers I've known throughout the years. Still I'm sure there's a few people here that trully have an arsenal of experience compared to me. Still stuff breaks, people make mistakes, yet I imagine that most guns are manufactured to A++++ specs because of the incredible liability. I also can't see one modern gun manufacturer that wouldn't lifetime guarantee the products if its an obvious or even prossible manufacturers defect. They don't want to get sued for a defect no matter how old the gun is. That being said they problably would laugh at cosmetic defects or refuse obvious user neglect like useing it as a hammer.
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From: Daygo
Ruger usually makes very high quality stuff. I've had a few of them over the years, never had a problem. However, if it's really a home defense weapon I'd get rid of it and get a Glock. Rugers are fun range toys, very pretty and precise but they do require upkeep and use. Glock... throw it in a bucket of sand, use it as a hammer, rinse it off in mud, throw it against a wall, and it still works fine.
That's exactly what the Glock rep did at a demo for the SDPD a couple years ago... proceeded to fire a full 33round mag out of a G18C after that, and it cycled flawlessly and accurately. None of the other gun reps there (S&W, H&K, Beretta, Sig) could believe it. Needless to say, Glock sold a few contracts that day.
That's exactly what the Glock rep did at a demo for the SDPD a couple years ago... proceeded to fire a full 33round mag out of a G18C after that, and it cycled flawlessly and accurately. None of the other gun reps there (S&W, H&K, Beretta, Sig) could believe it. Needless to say, Glock sold a few contracts that day.
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From: La Habra
I'm a big Glock fan since my first G17 back in the 80's but Glocks have their issues. Ever heard of "Glock leg" among LEO's? Or kabooms from lead bullet build-up? Or frame cracking in 40's? Last but not least, they are ugly. I prefer Walther's P99 for some of the same adverse-environment polymer frame reliability in a nicer-looking package.
If you want to recommend top quality why not push Sig Sauer? To me they represent the finest mass-produced sidearms at a price that doesn't make me gag like H&K's stuff.
If you want to recommend top quality why not push Sig Sauer? To me they represent the finest mass-produced sidearms at a price that doesn't make me gag like H&K's stuff.
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From: Daygo
Sig makes nice stuff, but it is also what I'd consider high maintenance. The machining is so fine on them that a little bit of crud will foul the cycling. They stove kettle a lot after about 50 rounds, until you run a bore snake though the receiver.
