[QUOTE=no_really,Oct 8 2004, 10:45 AM] Are you suggesting that GW Bush was responsible for the Swift Boat ads, or the Fox News reporting posted above?

 

What I actually wrote: "Are you suggesting that GW Bush was responsible for the Swift Boat ads, or the Fox News reporting posted above?"

Read, comprehend, post. In that order. I never said Bush lied, I said the party members lied. Of course, rather than address the fact that the Republican Party is the party of the liars and manipulators, attack people for things they never claimed. Maybe they will get distracted from the real issues. If you can't read and comprehend, don't post. Simple, really.

 

all credible intelligence from all countries said saddam had weapons. bush believed it and used it as it was the best source available.

Don't forget kerry came to the same conclusion and voted YES as well. Kerry was on the intelligence committee of the senate, btw (although he very rarely actually showed up).

 

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on this topic with some notable quotes. I wonder if this makes everyone listed below a liar???

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

 

[QUOTE=hellothere,Oct 8 2004, 08:53 AM] bring back memories of CLINTON?? thats right.

 

What is it you are regurgitating?

 

[QUOTE=honda606,Oct 8 2004, 05:03 PM] That's why the USA Today reported that the head of the feds was caught on tape admitting to paying a retired Egyptian officer to coordinate and pull off the attack but when the officer realized he was being setup to be the patsy he ordered his men to park the truck farther down from the support columns.

 

Is Honda606 gay? none of my buisness, and none of yours. Your questioning of his argument is what makes this society so great. Your attacking of his sexuality is what makes this society so shitty.
Congratulations fellas (since your not the only one Russian) you have lost all my respect.

And I love all this "America Hating" bullshit. I'm pretty sure I am as much a "patriot" as the next guy, but I think this county has gone to shit, and only major change can get it back to where it once was, but I am starting to lose my faith in this prospect.

 

So now if you don't support Hitler, I mean Bush, then you're not only a communist but you're gay as well?

Wow...you truly learn something new everyday. Glad I don't have to come out of the closet now.

 

Fox news actually beats MSN CNN and CNBC combined. Obviously has a much larger news viewership then CBS news.