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Her baby wasn't dead after all!

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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 10:39 AM
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Baby found alive after pronounced dead


The newborn has been named Luz Milagros, or "Miracle Light." She is still listed as being in critical condition but is said to be improving. The deputy provincial health minister announced that five medical professionals involved in the case have been suspended, pending further investigation.
I'm guessing her sibling's name will be:

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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 10:02 PM
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Crazy stuff! I'm not sure how 3 doctors (all in different fields though) could pronounce the baby dead and it actually be alive. Seems like that would almost release the hospital from the malpractice sue.
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Old Apr 13, 2012 | 08:27 AM
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You would be surprised what they will allow into medical school these days, just like an MBA degree, its not about critical thinking but your ability to regurgitate information that gets you in.
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyushin
You would be surprised what they will allow into medical school these days, just like an MBA degree, its not about critical thinking but your ability to regurgitate information that gets you in.

Maybe in Argentina where doctors are probably poorly compensated, but this is definitely not the case in the United States. Medical school admission is probably the most bottle necked step in the entire medical education process, admission depending on many different factors, and it is by far the most difficult graduate level schooling to get into in America. You could have high test scores, perfect GPA and be from a top 3 college and not get in.

Additionally the MCAT is a test that you could have all the knowledge in the world and not do well if you cannot reason and think critically. For the most part, the answers are given to you in the passage that the questions are based off already. What sets a high score apart from a low score is the ability to apply and manipulate that information provided for you.

Maybe the regurgitation you are talking about occurs more in medical school, which is only partially true. Much of medical school classes in the 1st and 2nd years are straight memorization, however those classes are simple pass/fall. The main indicator of pre-clinical performance, the USMLE Step 1 is a test that test your ability to make complex connections, powers of induction and deduction. Very few questions on the test are straight forward. An example of a USMLE Step 1 question would be a scenario of a patient that has all the signs of a disease. Naturally you would think the question would ask what that disease is, but it rarely is that simple. Next they will give you clues it's not the disease you are thinking of. Then you will start to think of what else it could be, and decide on the next most likely disease. You would expect them to ask you what the disease is now, but they don't. They say instead that the appropriate treatment is started. You must decide what treatment they are talking about. Then they will say a side effect has occurred. They will ask you what agent you would use to counter that side effect. You have to be able to make connections between all the knowledge you learned. All the medical knowledge in the world isn't useful if you cannot manipulate and string it together.

The next 2 years are clinical, during which straight memory takes a backseat, and almost all of the learning is directly on the wards.
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 565565
Originally Posted by Kyushin' timestamp='1334334470' post='21604851
You would be surprised what they will allow into medical school these days, just like an MBA degree, its not about critical thinking but your ability to regurgitate information that gets you in.

Maybe in Argentina where doctors are probably poorly compensated, but this is definitely not the case in the United States. Medical school admission is probably the most bottle necked step in the entire medical education process, admission depending on many different factors, and it is by far the most difficult graduate level schooling to get into in America. You could have high test scores, perfect GPA and be from a top 3 college and not get in.

Additionally the MCAT is a test that you could have all the knowledge in the world and not do well if you cannot reason and think critically. For the most part, the answers are given to you in the passage that the questions are based off already. What sets a high score apart from a low score is the ability to apply and manipulate that information provided for you.

Maybe the regurgitation you are talking about occurs more in medical school, which is only partially true. Much of medical school classes in the 1st and 2nd years are straight memorization, however those classes are simple pass/fall. The main indicator of pre-clinical performance, the USMLE Step 1 is a test that test your ability to make complex connections, powers of induction and deduction. Very few questions on the test are straight forward. An example of a USMLE Step 1 question would be a scenario of a patient that has all the signs of a disease. Naturally you would think the question would ask what that disease is, but it rarely is that simple. Next they will give you clues it's not the disease you are thinking of. Then you will start to think of what else it could be, and decide on the next most likely disease. You would expect them to ask you what the disease is now, but they don't. They say instead that the appropriate treatment is started. You must decide what treatment they are talking about. Then they will say a side effect has occurred. They will ask you what agent you would use to counter that side effect. You have to be able to make connections between all the knowledge you learned. All the medical knowledge in the world isn't useful if you cannot manipulate and string it together.

The next 2 years are clinical, during which straight memory takes a backseat, and almost all of the learning is directly on the wards.
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