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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sam_spider
The first link shows a design I would say is backwards. The second link, the post is part of the fence, not just a support to hold up the picket sections.

If you didn't submit a drawing you may be in for a battle, but this also depends exactly how yours looks. The links you posted show it different ways. It really depends how yours looks.
So this is an interesting response. The first link is very close to my design, but my posts are much closer to the fencing color. And the second link... the running are on the back side. Yes, some people cot the end off and then push them beyond the back face of the post threshold and more towards the outer perimeter... but how is that a "good" design vs a "bad" one?

But then you're saying it all depends on how mine looks. Let's just assume it looks good (I feel like I'm setting myself up for flame... but like I said a lot of people say it looks great, even the HOA president loved it). I promise you i looks good lol. I would be floored if someone thought it looked anything worthy of being re-done. I'll try to get some pics up later.


Edit: I just realize i grabbed the wrong link for my 3rd link lol. that's the opposite... or what they're suggesting.
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jkelley
Originally Posted by sam_spider' timestamp='1449518830' post='23822043
The first link shows a design I would say is backwards. The second link, the post is part of the fence, not just a support to hold up the picket sections.

If you didn't submit a drawing you may be in for a battle, but this also depends exactly how yours looks. The links you posted show it different ways. It really depends how yours looks.
So this is an interesting response. The first link is very close to my design, but my posts are much closer to the fencing color. And the second link... the running are on the back side. Yes, some people cot the end off and then push them beyond the back face of the post threshold and more towards the outer perimeter... but how is that a "good" design vs a "bad" one?

But then you're saying it all depends on how mine looks. Let's just assume it looks good (I feel like I'm setting myself up for flame... but like I said a lot of people say it looks great, even the HOA president loved it). I promise you i looks good lol. I would be floored if someone thought it looked anything worthy of being re-done. I'll try to get some pics up later.


Edit: I just realize i grabbed the wrong link for my 3rd link lol. that's the opposite... or what they're suggesting.
Lol, I'm not saying whether yours "looks" good or not, it's all in the design and how it's interpreted. The first link even calls it a reverse design.

A post can be decorative and also structural, most fences the post is merely structural and not finished off to be part of the design.

This fence here


The post is both structural and decorative, it is also in line with the rest of the fence, this is why I said pictures of your fence would help.

Another example


The post is in line with the fence, so it isn't just structural, it's decorative as well.

If your posts are outside the pickets, your HOA might have an issue with it, so not saying they're right or wrong, but I can see how they'd feel that way if your posts are outside the pickets.

This one is structural only, therefore it is inside the pickets


Sure, they've cut the tops of the posts to make them more attractive, but they aren't the main focal point of the fence, the pickets are.
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sam_spider
Originally Posted by jkelley' timestamp='1449519261' post='23822055
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The first link shows a design I would say is backwards. The second link, the post is part of the fence, not just a support to hold up the picket sections.

If you didn't submit a drawing you may be in for a battle, but this also depends exactly how yours looks. The links you posted show it different ways. It really depends how yours looks.
So this is an interesting response. The first link is very close to my design, but my posts are much closer to the fencing color. And the second link... the running are on the back side. Yes, some people cot the end off and then push them beyond the back face of the post threshold and more towards the outer perimeter... but how is that a "good" design vs a "bad" one?

But then you're saying it all depends on how mine looks. Let's just assume it looks good (I feel like I'm setting myself up for flame... but like I said a lot of people say it looks great, even the HOA president loved it). I promise you i looks good lol. I would be floored if someone thought it looked anything worthy of being re-done. I'll try to get some pics up later.


Edit: I just realize i grabbed the wrong link for my 3rd link lol. that's the opposite... or what they're suggesting.
Lol, I'm not saying whether yours "looks" good or not, it's all in the design and how it's interpreted. The first link even calls it a reverse design.

A post can be decorative and also structural, most fences the post is merely structural and not finished off to be part of the design.

This fence here


The post is both structural and decorative, it is also in line with the rest of the fence, this is why I said pictures of your fence would help.

Another example


The post is in line with the fence, so it isn't just structural, it's decorative as well.

If your posts are outside the pickets, your HOA might have an issue with it, so not saying they're right or wrong, but I can see how they'd feel that way if your posts are outside the pickets.

This one is structural only, therefore it is inside the pickets


Sure, they've cut the tops of the posts to make them more attractive, but they aren't the main focal point of the fence, the pickets are.
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I think we're agreeing with each other here, with what you're saying (and not having seen my fence yet) but yes, my fence posts are most definitely a part of the fence design with regard to a look that I was going for. Again, they're even "cedar-toned," which comes at a cost. They're also milled from the supplier, so they aren't all blotchy and rough. They're actually even nicer than the pickets themselves, lol.

I could probably relatively easily just cut the sides off a little more and move them to mounting to the inside face of the posts, towards the front edge, without incurring a huge cost (although a lot of time...). This way the pickets are the leading edge of the fence line... but I won't have pickets in front of them. The post would still be 100% visible (which, again, is what I was going for... since they're very nice...lol)

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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jkelley
I think we're agreeing with each other here, with what you're saying (and not having seen my fence yet) but yes, my fence posts are most definitely a part of the fence design with regard to a look that I was going for. Again, they're even "cedar-toned," which comes at a cost. They're also milled from the supplier, so they aren't all blotchy and rough. They're actually even nicer than the pickets themselves, lol.

I could probably relatively easily just cut the sides off a little more and move them to mounting to the inside face of the posts, towards the front edge, without incurring a huge cost (although a lot of time...). This way the pickets are the leading edge of the fence line... but I won't have pickets in front of them. The post would still be 100% visible (which, again, is what I was going for... since they're very nice...lol)
Yep, I'd guess it's because your posts are in front of the pickets. I'd wait and see what they say before you make any changes. To be honest, I've never seen a fence with the posts in front of the fence, they've always been behind or part of the fence (in line with it).
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 11:59 AM
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I'm wondering if the guy thought the posts didn't look right because I hadn't cut them down and put tops on them yet. Their heights vary. But he'd have to be pretty dense to think that. I dunno. Pics to come soon. Wondering if I should lop off the tops and put the caps on before sending them though lol. But I wasn't planning on doing that until this weekend.
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 12:14 PM
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That could have a lot to do with it, yes. If you've got all the fence up and essentially done, he may think you're done with it. People jump to conclusions, this may very well be the case here.
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 12:49 PM
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I wasn't trying to troll you. You're pretty wound up though, aren't you? You're the one that moved into the neighborhood with an HOA. I did that.... once....

I see what you are saying. To me, it would only be inside out if the cross pieces were on the outside. I don't have a problem with the posts being prominent and part of the exterior design but hey, that's me and not your HOA.

Good luck. Stay calm, it may all work out.
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 12:53 PM
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Well, good news. After the president and the property management rep went over it, they found several examples online and approved it as a valid design - so they gave me the approval to continue

Sorry for getting all worked up... but when I plan, and plan, and plan this project (I'm not a carpenter or fence aficionado) for 3+ months and spend 2 weeks installing it, with materials taking up my S's garage space for 4+ weeks... I get a little peeved when someone says my design is not in compliance... lol. On no grounds.

I thought the people that have problems with HOA's are the ones that don't read the covenants/bylaws and just do what they want to do and if it's explicitly stated in those covenants/bylaws and they get all butthurt when they're informed to change it lol. I went above and beyond. For God's sake I even sent in an unnecessary revision for approval just so they approved of me changing the picket style, and got a work permit and everything lol. He said nobody bothers with the work permits lol, but I did.
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 06:01 PM
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Whew! Great news. Maybe, get that approval in writing --- in case someone decides to bother you later...

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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by windhund116
Whew! Great news. Maybe, get that approval in writing --- in case someone decides to bother you later...

Of course. He said the property management rep should have already sent it. I haven't gotten it yet. She's a lazy S.O.B. I'll badger her today until she sends me a 2 sentence email saying it's approved lol
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