Prove the validity of Christianity.

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Feb 1, 2003 | 08:01 AM

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Barry in Wyoming

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Originally posted by lig
Questions such as these have kept me agnostic.

Agnostic? About what can't you make up your mind.

I do love all men and women, but call me an athiest and I'll take no offense.

Also check out www.skeptic.com . It is one of my favorites.

Thanks for the first post and the follow-ups.

Feb 1, 2003 | 08:05 AM

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lig

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hehe... I never say never.

Feb 1, 2003 | 08:10 AM

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JonBoy

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Originally posted by Lee355
6. Explain why I should believe that your god is all-good when the only real information we have about him is the Bible, which clearly describes him as both good and evil. (See Isaiah 30:32, Luke 14:26, Numbers 31:17-18, Matthew 10:34, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 18:8, Deuteronomy 20:16, Exodus 20:5, Exodus 32:27, Isaiah 45:7, Psalms 52:5, Luke 22:36, and Jeremiah 18:11 for a small sample of Biblical passages which describe Jehovah as having an evil morality at times).

Just to post so people can read themselves:

Isaiah 30:32 And [in] every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, [it] shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.

Not sure how that is evil, so I'll pass on it. War/battle is not necessarily evil.

Luke 14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Not sure of the evil in that, though I think you're misreading it. If you read into it, you'll notice that Jesus is requiring a love for Him that supercedes those in your family and such, including yourself. That is all - He is not saying "Hate your parents", because He also says "Honor they father and mother", etc, etc. He is saying He has to have first place, that is all.

...and the verses go on and on.

Define "good" and "evil", then I can fully answer your question. What makes a thing "good" or "evil"? To me, a "good" thing is what God spoke well of in scripture and a "bad" thing is that which is spoken ill of in scripture. "Good" and "evil" are perceptions, they are not absolute for everyone - we have to have a basis for each.

I do resent the "evil morality" remark. Again, you have to define "immoral" - on what do you base your morals? Are they the same as mine? If not, how can we even discuss it as we don't have the same basis? Going on what God said in scripture, what He has done is not wrong. Going perhaps by what an atheist or agnostic would say, perhaps He has done something wrong. I can't prove you to be conclusively wrong (nor can you prove yourself to be conclusively right) unless we have the same moral basis. We don't, so we can't.