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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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A thread posted by CKit kind of lead to a discussion about respect for people, Parents being a focus of Red's post.

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Sadly, that secnrio is pretty typical, and it's a trubute to sorry ass parrenting skills. You'd NEVER see that kind of stuff in my home, even when other people's kids are here. My daughter would never speak to me or her mom in that manner, because she respects us. The kind of behavior you point out is actually taught to the kids. They learn that as often as not, it works, so it becomes the typical scenario. In my home, people respect each other, regardless of their age, and this tactic would never get anyone anywhere; Hence it never happens.

Our daughter did try the the tactic, when she was about two, but when it was totally ineffective, the behavior was instantly abandoned, and has yet to resurface. She's 19 now.

Any kid who respects you will avoid the kind of behavior you describe when he/she is interacting with you, even if they do it at home. The respect thing works just as well with adults, and most people realize that, but many (if not most) are unable to see that the same thing works with kids. They listen to pepole they respect. People who mock them aren't respected, even when they are their parents. Whining and asking irrational quesitons about love is merely a sign of disrespect for the parents, and the disrespect has been earned. Earned by their own actions, in allowing the behavoir to become habitual.

Tell your kids how stupid they are and they'll reward you with equally disrespectful behavior. You will get what you give, whether it's kids or adults. Respect commands respect. Contempt breeds contempt. You help no one by breeding contempt, but almost everyone (regardless of age) responds well when they are treated in a respectful manner.
I was much older than your daughter when I tested the effectiveness of the "I hate you" statement directed at my mother. It did absolutely nothing for me, though I momentarily felt gratification for having potentially hurt her feelings because I didn't like her telling me I was not allowed to do something.

Her response was very passive though, "That's a shame because I sure love you."

There was never a consequence for having said what I said, but I never said it again. After reading Red's post I initially thought I didn't agree but now I'm not sure what I didn't agree with. I'm sick so my head's cloudy

For those who have kids, have you had to deal with this issue with your children? Or for the other folks without kids, did you ever go through a phase of the kind of disrespect towards your parents, yourself?
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyCB,Jan 21 2008, 12:47 PM
A thread posted by CKit kind of lead to a discussion about respect for people, Parents being a focus of Red's post.

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I was much older than your daughter when I tested the effectiveness of the "I hate you" statement directed at my mother. It did absolutely nothing for me, though I momentarily felt gratification for having potentially hurt her feelings because I didn't like her telling me I was not allowed to do something.

Her response was very passive though, "That's a shame because I sure love you."

There was never a consequence for having said what I said, but I never said it again. After reading Red's post I initially thought I didn't agree but now I'm not sure what I didn't agree with. I'm sick so my head's cloudy

For those who have kids, have you had to deal with this issue with your children? Or for the other folks without kids, did you ever go through a phase of the kind of disrespect towards your parents, yourself?
My mother (single mom) didn't allow any disrespect in our home. And she hit like a man.

My 7 year old son loses his mind sometimes and says something that he shouldn't. Then he regrets it. Sometimes I let him off with only a warning. Sometimes not. He said, "whatever" to his mother last week when she asked him to do something. He regrets that I'm sure, as there was a price payed by him for it.

For the most part he says "yes sir", "no sir", "please" and "thank you". A good kid. He's going to turn out okay I think.
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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i have two boys (13 and 11). Both have been complimented numerous times on how well they behave by adults.

I often see little kids yelling at their parents or even the grandparents. I had no problem grabbing my 4 year old son by his face when he called his grandmother a name.....same with yelling.... i screamed at them until i saw stars a few times I was ****ign pissed.... no permant scars...other than the stars in my eyes.

Seems like a bunch of parents these days are too wrapped up in the ratrace to have time or energy to care......or they are just idiots and should not have ever had kids to begin with...or they want to be the friend of the kid instead of the decision maker. I make the decisions.......

I see lots of parents with DVD players in their cars and turn it on for a 10 minute drive home from school..... ya don't talk to the kid... just ****ing ignore them...

My kids are somewhat spoiled...especially compared to what I was as a kid.... but i slowed that way down about 3 years ago.... they didn't seem to appreciate anything so now they have to buy their own stuff.... they still have cool stuff... no 50" plasma TV's in their rooms but enough shit to keep them plenty happy.
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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o ya... i have neighbors whose kids used to always say "I HATE YOU MOMMY" right in front of my kids..... My kids were thinking... wow... they are going to get their asses kicked.... but instead the mom was like "do you want some icecream"....

Their kids went to "the goddard school" which i would have to say is definately part of the problem...it is low paid employees who probably could care less what happens, as long as they get their pay.

They boys at the goddard school have a pattern of trying to call other boys girls...... The one asked my son if he was a girl because he was using a pink jump rope.... 5 minutes later that kid was using the same jump rope and was completely pissed off when my son (with my whisper to his ear) asked him if he was a girl..... they can dish it out but can't take it...... 30 year old vs 5 years...
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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I have great parents who were basically pretty calm (okay, my Dad was calm, my mom got wound up basically every day ) but when I pushed it far enough that my dad got worked up, you know it was bad. Because it was so rare that he flew off the handle, there was this fear of the unknown so I rarely pushed things.

As for the neighbor kids, it's definitely out of seeing other kids get away with stuff that kids test with their parents. Reminds me of the Russell Peters bit where he talks about his white friend Ryan and following Ryan's lead with father. "Somebody gonna get hurt real bad..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA9O3hMDRbw
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Scot,Jan 21 2008, 05:46 PM
they still have cool stuff... no 50" plasma TV's in their rooms but enough shit to keep them plenty happy.
I'm calling the Dept of Families & Children.













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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 09:14 PM
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I dont have em thank god
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 11:08 PM
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I was an absolute raging asshole in my teens and put my parents through hell, but they were incredibly supportive and understanding. They also knew when to say "you screwed up" and when to "show" me I screwed up. Nowadays we get along great and have a very good mutual respect of each other [I'm 21 and still live at home]. I work full-time and support myself for the most part, so they give me that space and treat me like an adult. I, in turn, give them money if they need it, or let them take my S if they need a car, etc...

I think nowadays parents baby and coddle their kids too much. I think Scot got it right when he said parents are too busy working to really raise a child. They just let school, TV and pop culture in general dictate how they act. The upcoming generation is going to be full of Paris Hiltons and Britney Spears'. God help us all.

Watching attitudes and society change in the short time I've been here makes me scared to have kids. If I ever did, I think I'd have to move to a small town.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 02:40 AM
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We have a 2 and a half year old. She is a pleasant (yet full of energy) kid 90% of the time and gets complimented on her polite behaviour. The other 10% of the time she is testing the new boundaries... :-)

It is a fairly constant effort and I can see why some parents just sit them in front of the TV and ignore them. Fortunately for us she is the one who turns the TV off and asks for 1 on 1 time.
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