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I just wanted to point out the fact that not only Porsche owners are overly badge sensitive so that next time everyone here gets all riled up when someone on the PPBB board slams the S2000 for being a Honda, that they need to look close to home as well when sounding the "snob" alert.
It is funny, the only person I have heard the "real Porsche" comment from directly (besides S2000 owners) was a lady who owns an older 911...which she admitted she never drove fast and she had no idea what snap-oversteer was.
Besides, I truly believe the Boxster is a better sports-car design than the 911, being mid-engined. Put me on a polygraph. It seems a large contingent of the automitive world (made up of some 911 owners and some S2000 owners) wants to think Boxster owners all live in envy of the 911, but for myself at least, it just ain't true. I envy that 3.4 liter engine, you bet! And when my warranty expires, a swap may be in order!
But if someone (without a pre-disposed eye) reads any of the automotive press, or takes the time to get to know one, they will know the Boxster is done right, bow to stern.
If we can ever escape the "don't want to alienate the traditional 911 crowd" marketing box, I think you will see a very interesting Boxster. Obviously being a convertible is the main weakness in the arguement (versus the hard top 911), but marketing photos are already circulating of a coupe. But I think a 2-seater hard-top would appeal to such a narrow market niche that we will never see it. I guess it could compete with the CLK and such.
I am not sensitive, I am "enthusiastic" about cars and definitely LOVE my boxster.
Okay enough "blathering", as some of you have so quiantly put it.
Sorry, but I seem to have contracted some serious stomach virus/ache and doing anything besides sleeping, surfing, or watching TV is out of the question today. 
It is funny, the only person I have heard the "real Porsche" comment from directly (besides S2000 owners) was a lady who owns an older 911...which she admitted she never drove fast and she had no idea what snap-oversteer was.
Besides, I truly believe the Boxster is a better sports-car design than the 911, being mid-engined. Put me on a polygraph. It seems a large contingent of the automitive world (made up of some 911 owners and some S2000 owners) wants to think Boxster owners all live in envy of the 911, but for myself at least, it just ain't true. I envy that 3.4 liter engine, you bet! And when my warranty expires, a swap may be in order!
But if someone (without a pre-disposed eye) reads any of the automotive press, or takes the time to get to know one, they will know the Boxster is done right, bow to stern.If we can ever escape the "don't want to alienate the traditional 911 crowd" marketing box, I think you will see a very interesting Boxster. Obviously being a convertible is the main weakness in the arguement (versus the hard top 911), but marketing photos are already circulating of a coupe. But I think a 2-seater hard-top would appeal to such a narrow market niche that we will never see it. I guess it could compete with the CLK and such.
I am not sensitive, I am "enthusiastic" about cars and definitely LOVE my boxster.
Okay enough "blathering", as some of you have so quiantly put it.
Sorry, but I seem to have contracted some serious stomach virus/ache and doing anything besides sleeping, surfing, or watching TV is out of the question today.
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There is another Porsche considered "not a real Porsche" that I am fond of too... its called a 944 Turbo.
Not such a big thing now, but used to be that the air-cooled guys didnt really like the water cooled guys.
Not such a big thing now, but used to be that the air-cooled guys didnt really like the water cooled guys.
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Porsche Boxster (let alone BoxsterS) is a very much a Porsche. Drive it and you will think so too.
911 is a step above but no more a Porsche than Boxster. Is the S2000 not a real Honda 'cos they have an NSX? I don't think so. I can understand why people would say "not a real Porsche" about 924/944 cars but not the Boxster - BoxsterS is one of the pest performance cars on the face of this planet ... I'm sure that if you made a list of top 20 sportcars then BoxsterS would be in it. Who knows, maybe even S2000 can make it onto that list.
911 is a step above but no more a Porsche than Boxster. Is the S2000 not a real Honda 'cos they have an NSX? I don't think so. I can understand why people would say "not a real Porsche" about 924/944 cars but not the Boxster - BoxsterS is one of the pest performance cars on the face of this planet ... I'm sure that if you made a list of top 20 sportcars then BoxsterS would be in it. Who knows, maybe even S2000 can make it onto that list.
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Originally posted by BoxsterBoy
Look, Porsche snobs who own Hondas. Isn't that interesting.
You must be correct, though. It must be a mistake that the PCA classes my BoxsterS with all 911 C2 and C4s for AutoX and Time Trials. They COULDN'T be wrong.
And I guess I am really out of luck since this Honda owner is looking down his nose at me for not owning a "real" Porsche. Woe is me. How can I ever show my face at the country club again? (Hint: I don't belong to one)
Originally posted by S2000 Driver
Just before I purchased my S2000, I test drove a new Porsche 911/996 (the only REAL Porsche not the Boxster of Boxster S wanna-be's) and a C5 Corvette.
[Edited by S2000 Driver on 02-10-2001 at 11:35 AM]
Just before I purchased my S2000, I test drove a new Porsche 911/996 (the only REAL Porsche not the Boxster of Boxster S wanna-be's) and a C5 Corvette.
[Edited by S2000 Driver on 02-10-2001 at 11:35 AM]
You must be correct, though. It must be a mistake that the PCA classes my BoxsterS with all 911 C2 and C4s for AutoX and Time Trials. They COULDN'T be wrong.
And I guess I am really out of luck since this Honda owner is looking down his nose at me for not owning a "real" Porsche. Woe is me. How can I ever show my face at the country club again? (Hint: I don't belong to one)
The last Porsche with soul was the 911/993. What a great car--an instant classic! The Boxsters--no thanks. They'll go on the scrap heap of history just like their entry-level Porsche predecessors.
If you plan on owning a Porsche for the long haul, do yourself a favor and trade in your Boxster S for a 911/993--you won't regret it.
Oh yea, that's right, it's no better than a Boxster. The same story I heard when the 912, 914/4, 914/6, 924, 924 Turbo, 944, and 968 first came out. Right!
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Sorry, "S2000 Driver", but you have been relegated to the same heap as the 911-lady who didn't know what snap oversteer was. You may know a bit more about cars, but not much more about what it takes to make a great car. You must be right and all the automotive press just dead wrong. And all those posts on PPBB saying how people just love their cars...just mass self-delusion.
Anyway, if someone offerred me the cab over the boxster, I would take it...then sell it, and buy another 986S, thankyouverymuch. I thought I was already pretty clear on that. I am sure the cab has plenty to offer, but that doesn't mean I can't like my car, too.
Anyway, if someone offerred me the cab over the boxster, I would take it...then sell it, and buy another 986S, thankyouverymuch.
I thought I was already pretty clear on that. I am sure the cab has plenty to offer, but that doesn't mean I can't like my car, too.
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I like sports cars. I like to drive. I enjoy top-down driving. I love Porsches (with very few exceptions). I love many Hondas (but certainly not all.)
TO EACH HIS OWN!!!!! Have fun, be safe, and respect other people who share the same basic notions.
Snobbery is for the Jaguar crowd! j/k Jag owners...
(we ALL know it's thosed damned Bentley/Rolls people!)
TO EACH HIS OWN!!!!! Have fun, be safe, and respect other people who share the same basic notions.
Snobbery is for the Jaguar crowd!
j/k Jag owners...(we ALL know it's thosed damned Bentley/Rolls people!)
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Okay, my last post on this thread. Promise. I am sure the S2000 fans grow weary of the off-Honda discussion (proven by the low VIEW # on this thread).
If you found my attack personal, S2000 Driver, I apologise. It is just such an absurd remark to say a car isn't a real "fill in the blank" due to preference for one model over another. Maybe if you spell out what real Porsche means, I can understand you better. Even if the Boxster goes the way of the dodo, so what? Because Ford stopped making the Gran Torino, does that mean it isn't a "real" Ford? Silliness.
I have read several accounts of Porsche engineers bemoaning the fact they are prisoners to the 911. They don't keep it because it is the best they can do. They keep it because they have been making it for so long that the majority of their true fan base expects it. And they expect it to be at the top of the Porsche model line. I am not saying it isn't a great car. It wouldn't have stood the test of time so well if it wasn't. But it doesn't mean that any other make is any less valid.
I think you will see quite a long life-line for the Boxster due to several remarkable things: 1) The success of the Boxster has single-handedly turned around a VERY struggling Porsche, so much so that they are actually expanding into previously unimagined directions (Ack! Not an SUV). The Boxster saved them, not the 911; 2) All the 986S are on a wait list. They sell all they can make; 3) So much of the Boxster is common with the 996 (40%) that is economically infeasible for them to drop the line in favor of a whole new car. The only thing that will kill the Boxster in the near term is if they radically change the design of the Boxster itself to try to "improve" the car. But with so little actually wrong with the car, I don't see this happening.
Anyway, 'nuf said. Just one word of advice...you better respect those "fake" Porsches when you see them on the track, or you will get burned. The most disrespected of all (the 914) will zip by like nobody's business.
If you found my attack personal, S2000 Driver, I apologise. It is just such an absurd remark to say a car isn't a real "fill in the blank" due to preference for one model over another. Maybe if you spell out what real Porsche means, I can understand you better. Even if the Boxster goes the way of the dodo, so what? Because Ford stopped making the Gran Torino, does that mean it isn't a "real" Ford? Silliness.
I have read several accounts of Porsche engineers bemoaning the fact they are prisoners to the 911. They don't keep it because it is the best they can do. They keep it because they have been making it for so long that the majority of their true fan base expects it. And they expect it to be at the top of the Porsche model line. I am not saying it isn't a great car. It wouldn't have stood the test of time so well if it wasn't. But it doesn't mean that any other make is any less valid.
I think you will see quite a long life-line for the Boxster due to several remarkable things: 1) The success of the Boxster has single-handedly turned around a VERY struggling Porsche, so much so that they are actually expanding into previously unimagined directions (Ack! Not an SUV). The Boxster saved them, not the 911; 2) All the 986S are on a wait list. They sell all they can make; 3) So much of the Boxster is common with the 996 (40%) that is economically infeasible for them to drop the line in favor of a whole new car. The only thing that will kill the Boxster in the near term is if they radically change the design of the Boxster itself to try to "improve" the car. But with so little actually wrong with the car, I don't see this happening.
Anyway, 'nuf said. Just one word of advice...you better respect those "fake" Porsches when you see them on the track, or you will get burned. The most disrespected of all (the 914) will zip by like nobody's business.