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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 05:54 AM
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What the heck are the columns excel?
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 06:06 AM
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Country Year Population Total Homicide Firearm Homicide Non-Gun Homicide % Households With Guns


Here's the footnote for finland

The United Nations International Study on Firearm Regulation reports Finland's gun ownership rate at 50% of households.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 06:09 AM
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Oh yeah please note this isn't per gun but per household with a gun.


In 1998, the U.S. Department of Justice declared that the rate of muggings in England had surpassed that in the U.S. by 40 percent, while assault and burglary rates were nearly 100 percent higher in England than in the U.S.

To make matters worse for England --- and this is also true for Canada --- in those countries where citizens are disarmed in their own homes, day burglary is commonplace and dangerous because criminals know they will not be shot at if caught flagrante delicto. Not so in the U.S., where burglars not only prefer night burglaries but try to make sure homeowners are not at home to avoid being shot at by the intended victim.(11)

The rising tide of thievery and burglaries in England has dubbed Britain "a nation of thieves," wrote the London Sunday Times (January 11, 1998), which noted: "More than one in three British men has a criminal record by the age of forty. While America has cut its crime rate dramatically Britain remains the crime capital of the West. Where have we gone wrong?"

A study by the U.S. Dept. of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention tracked 4000 juveniles aged 6-15 inDenver (CO), Pittsburgh (PA), and Rochester (NY) from 1993-1995. The investigators found that children who use firearms with parental supervision, as far as hunting and target shooting, are less likely to commit acts of violence and street crimes (14 percent) than children who have no guns in their homes (24 percent); whereas children who obtain guns illegally do so at the whopping rate of 74 percent.(13)



I'm from rochester and I used to shoot with my father often.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 06:29 AM
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Israel probably has about an 85% or 90% household gun possession rate. They're required to do military duty there (three years, I believe) and they all keep weapons at home.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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unfortunatly this data set has them at n/a probably because of that. There rate is .72 (very low)
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by steven975,Oct 6 2005, 05:15 AM
also, with the courts coming out and saying that no one in the US has a constitutional right to police protection, this makes sense.

the brady people seem to think that once they ban guns, all the criminals will turn them in and all the guns out there will magically disappear. They also seem to think the black market for guns will go a way, since...get this...they would be illegal.


This is the crux of the matter for me. Gun control laws would be nice if they could take guns out of everyone's hands. But all they really do is leave the criminals armed and the average citizen unable to defend himself. There is and always will be a black market for guns, period.

I'm personally highly suspicious of any proposed link between gun ownership and violent crime. Violent crime has been around since the beginning of time, and it isn't going away. If you were to do the impossible and eliminate all guns, then all criminals are going to do is resort to knives and the like.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Oct 5 2005, 02:22 PM
Another dumb moronic fear ad. The law is specific, you can't just go shooting anyone because you're afraid. A sherriff said something like well this is how it always has been now it just written down.


I couldn't have said it better myself ..... They should use some of these jacka$$ politicans for shark bait .
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by habitualspeeder,Oct 5 2005, 04:45 PM
and yet, still WAY higher than any other civilized country.
Got to to the middle east they don't have gun control issues.... They do need on the other hand bomb control.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by F1s2000,Oct 6 2005, 11:57 AM
I couldn't have said it better myself ..... They should use some of these jacka$$ politicans for shark bait .
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 08:32 AM
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Of course, in the middle east, you get killed for committing such things. Murderers are beheaded. Thieves lose their thumbs (or their hand). It's a whole different ballgame.
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