Who created God? Where does the universe begin and end?
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Alright I will try to give an explaination.
First of all you must imagine a "place" where the universe doesn't exist. Its something our minds can't fathom. There is no space and time. The laws of physics, the laws of science, don't exist. You see none of these things exist because God hasn't created the universe yet. Since time, didn't exist before God created it, then there is no beginning for God. Therefore God had no beginning/creator, He was always there. For example, "I finished baking a cake, 5 mins ago." The statement clearly states that I made a cake 5 mins ago but you can't apply this to God's "creation" for the reason stated above.
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First of all you must imagine a "place" where the universe doesn't exist. Its something our minds can't fathom. There is no space and time. The laws of physics, the laws of science, don't exist. You see none of these things exist because God hasn't created the universe yet. Since time, didn't exist before God created it, then there is no beginning for God. Therefore God had no beginning/creator, He was always there. For example, "I finished baking a cake, 5 mins ago." The statement clearly states that I made a cake 5 mins ago but you can't apply this to God's "creation" for the reason stated above.
The Bible informs us that time is a dimension that God created, into which man was subjected. It even tells us that one day time will no longer exist. That will be called "eternity." God Himself dwells outside of the dimension He created (2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2). He dwells in eternity and is not subject to time. God spoke history before it came into being. He can move through time as a man flips through a history book.
Because we live in the dimension of time, it is impossible for us to fully understand anything that does not have a beginning and an end. Simply accept that fact, and believe the concept of God's eternal nature the same way you believe the concept of space having no beginning and end -- by faith -- even though such thoughts put a strain on our distinctly insufficient cerebrum.
Because we live in the dimension of time, it is impossible for us to fully understand anything that does not have a beginning and an end. Simply accept that fact, and believe the concept of God's eternal nature the same way you believe the concept of space having no beginning and end -- by faith -- even though such thoughts put a strain on our distinctly insufficient cerebrum.
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Just think of the clockless processor being developed. The processing cycles will not be dictated by a crystal anymore. So you can say there is no time within the processor. I have no idea why I brought this up.
I'm a Christian and love our Lord. I'm a science guy working in the biotech industry and have no problems with religion and science clashing.
I'm a Christian and love our Lord. I'm a science guy working in the biotech industry and have no problems with religion and science clashing.
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Belief in a "created" logic = faith. 
Neither you or I have a provable absolute in the ultimate sense. As mentioned in my previous post, all of science is based on proof that is based on proof that is based on...etc, etc...but at the very root, it is based on something that cannot be proved. Same goes for religion or a belief - it's ultimately faith based, not fact based.
Logic and reason would tell people not to take off clothes when it gets hot...but what do people do the minute it gets hot?
Logic and reason would tell people not to build cars that go fast enough to cause death in the case of an accident, yet they still build them (and we buy them and drive them).
See where "logic" and "reason" can be taken? I'd rather stick with my own personal "insanity", thanks very much.
Neither you or I have a provable absolute in the ultimate sense. As mentioned in my previous post, all of science is based on proof that is based on proof that is based on...etc, etc...but at the very root, it is based on something that cannot be proved. Same goes for religion or a belief - it's ultimately faith based, not fact based.
Logic and reason would tell people not to take off clothes when it gets hot...but what do people do the minute it gets hot?
Logic and reason would tell people not to build cars that go fast enough to cause death in the case of an accident, yet they still build them (and we buy them and drive them).
See where "logic" and "reason" can be taken? I'd rather stick with my own personal "insanity", thanks very much.
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In quantum mechanics, there are many contradictions- until you get QM. As for the idea that the Bible and science do not mesh, that has little validity. Take a look at http://www.reasons.org, it offers compelling scientific proofs on a wide variety of fronts.
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Douglas R. Hofstadter, author of Godel, Escher, Bach, was planning a career as a particle physicist. One day he read a published article in which the author was trying to explain some minor discrepancies between measurements obtained in an experiment and the values that then-prevailing theories predicted. To account for these tiny differences, he hypothesized the existance of not a single new subatomic particle, but several classes of new subatomic particles--comprising some twenty or thirty new entities! All to explain some tiny measurement anomalies.
Dr. Hofstadter immediately changed his profession.
Dr. Hofstadter immediately changed his profession.