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Why shouldn't the punishment fit the crime?

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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by shareall,Sep 16 2005, 10:41 AM
I suppose it depends on your view of the purpose of the criminal justice system. Assuming all are possible, do you want to rehabilitate, get revenge, deter or a combination of the above? We still have much to learn about human behaviour.

My simple answer would be if we want to send the message that something is wrong (ex. killing someone) then why should the state be allowed to do the same? Kind of along the lines of Do as I say, not what I do.
1. None of the above, I just want the punishment to fit the crime.
2. The state would be the people as a whole, including the perp, and all could be punished the same way if they do the same crime, no one is above the law. So I don't really see it as an I situation.
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 11:23 AM
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Well what if it were to be a child, legally anyone under the age of 18. If a 14 year old gang member shoots and kills somebody, would it be right to put this child to death? What if they didn't know any better, I believe most fo us know how easy it is for children to be manipulated and lead astray.
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ajkewler,Sep 16 2005, 11:23 AM
Well what if it were to be a child, legally anyone under the age of 18. If a 14 year old gang member shoots and kills somebody, would it be right to put this child to death? What if they didn't know any better, I believe most fo us know how easy it is for children to be manipulated and lead astray.
Is it the victims fault that the child was led astray?
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 11:50 AM
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Doesn't really solve anything. Harsh punshment does deter but you have to have some limits. Cutting off ones hands for stealing is a great way to keep them from stealing but they aren't going to be productive in society after that. You piss on the inmates and you won't see them very happy when they get out. However, france I understand makes you never ever want to go back o prison because you're likely to be dead in six months of so.
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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Fine with me, an eye for an eye as long as you can PROVE the guy was the one that used the axe. I have a couple friends who are in the correctional field, I also have a gov job that has taken me into most of the prisons in the state and listened to people in the field. Some of these folks with anti-social personality have a serious screw loose that can never be fixed. Grind em up I say. But they represent only about 15% of the prison population.


This is long winded and off topic but I have a pathetic criminal story to tell. My one friend who is a probation officer for women's corrections had to do a couple hours of "outreach" every month as part of her job. This required her to go to the parking lot of a nearby strip club where prostitutes hung out trying to pick up customers. She was supposed to give them condoms, pamphlets on AIDS, and brochures for halfway houses that might help them get out of that line of work. Anywho she would always see a particular midget prostitute there that she new because this woman would get arrested about once a month. Anyway, here is the pathetic part, she got her customers by dressing up like a little boy. I bet her customers were complete sickos. But if the punishment fit the crime for them, the "john's" would have to get screwed by little boys for their sentence??????

Ok, sorry back to grinding up axe murderers.........
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vader1,Sep 16 2005, 11:54 AM
Fine with me, an eye for an eye as long as you can PROVE the guy was the one that used the axe.


But if the punishment fit the crime for them, the "john's" would have to get screwed by little boys for their sentence?
1. Absolute proof, of course.
2. Of course not, this one would fall under "reasonable punishment" by an elected panel. Maybe we could give them drugs to make them impotent, hard to get your rocks off when your flagpole won't rise, eh'? Is this "cruel and unusual punishment"? You betcha'.
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gymkata,Sep 16 2005, 11:33 AM
Who else?! Another Axe Murderer...naturally!
I love how you are talking about Axe Murderers with a video clip of Mike Myers in your sig.

Did no one else catch the 'So I Married An Axe Murderer' connection?
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by S2Kguy,Sep 16 2005, 01:49 PM
1. None of the above, I just want the punishment to fit the crime.
2. The state would be the people as a whole, including the perp, and all could be punished the same way if they do the same crime, no one is above the law. So I don't really see it as an I situation.
1. Hmm, so you want the punishment to be the same as the crime simply for aesthetics? A sort of symmetry that doesn't serve any other purpose than being the same for sameness' sake?
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Sep 16 2005, 05:57 PM
1. Hmm, so you want the punishment to be the same as the crime simply for aesthetics? A sort of symmetry that doesn't serve any other purpose than being the same for sameness' sake?
Hmmm, same for sameness' sake? Not at all, I just don't think that putting someone in prison for murder is as good as murdering them, and I think that there are a lot of victimized families that would agree with me. How would you like to get your hands on someone that murdered a family member of yours? See...
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Old Sep 18, 2005 | 12:56 PM
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Ah, so your purpose is, after all, the "get revenge" kind?
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