[QUOTE]Originally posted by josh3io
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i usually say "what the frik" instead of the full "freak".

 

So ****ed up they are faster than M3s? Nothing wrong with what the S2000 did, it's just not as far ahead of the "lowly" WRX as some people here would like.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by naishou
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My opinion on your opinion is that you should stick to talking about what you know about.

 

All the days I've been to open track, the high HP AWD sedans are uncompetitive. And this is on a relatively slow (+/- 100MPH end of straightaway speed in an S2000), technical track that should offer advantage to AWD.

I've tracked with chipped and suspension modified S4's, WRX's, and even C4's. The S4's and WRX's have not even been close. The C4 was often passed as well. I've also run with AWD 993 Turbo's.

Now of course this could be driver skill or their willingness to push their cars, but I consider myself a novice track driver, and simply dust the heavy, sedan-based, high HP S4's and WRX's.

The C4, I have no doubt, would be much more competitive if driven well. The Turbo's where faster (predictably...), but not by much.

As has been pointed out before, "specifications" do not make a fast car. The S2000 is fast on the track. The WRX's I've seen (US version) are not.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pfb
[B]All the days I've been to open track, the high HP AWD sedans are uncompetitive. And this is on a relatively slow (+/- 100MPH end of straightaway speed in an S2000), technical track that should offer advantage to AWD.

I've tracked with chipped and suspension modified S4's, WRX's, and even C4's. The S4's and WRX's have not even been close. The C4 was often passed as well. I've also run with AWD 993 Turbo's.

 

I don't think comparing with different drivers has much meaning at all, unless they are pros. The only situation where I've seen WRXs go up against S2000s with pro drivers is in production racing in Australia, and the WRXs win.

Again, a modified WRX was doing 1:09s, which is better than the Formula Ford lap record. It's also 2 seconds faster than a Porsche GT3. These are seriously fast cars guys. You won't see an S2000 doing those times without slicks.

I also think I'm the only person on this board who has driven both cars on the track (any track) and the same one only a week apart at that. I don't understand how people still insist that they somehow know better than me. It's bizzare. Lies, damn lies and statistics as they say. Don't underestimate the little turbo Subaru until you have driven one on the track. In about a month I'll have the opportunity to have the S2000 on that track again with timing. That might settle things a bit.

If you want to know where the WRX makes time on an S2000, it's mainly out of corners. Even with the S2000 in VTEC, the WRX hooks up and puts its power down much better. There was not a significant difference in top speed. I've no doubt that on a very fast track with open sweeping corners the Honda would be ahead, but it's almost all tyres.

By the way, if a Type R is faster than an S2000, you have sealed my argument, since my WRX was over a second faster round that track than a stock Type R with a professional driver! All this talk of the S2000 being actually faster but harder to drive is just rubbish. The difficulty of driving is part of the overall picture. If it's too difficult for all but Shumacher to get the best out of it then it's a crap car. I, for the record, don't believe this applies to the S2000 for a minute. I found it very easy to drive fast on the track.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by naishou
[B]By the way, if a Type R is faster than an S2000, you have sealed my argument, since my WRX was over a second faster round that track than a stock Type R with a professional driver!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by naishou
[B]I don't think comparing with different drivers has much meaning at all, unless they are pros.

 

I have both an S2000 and a WRX in my garage.

I've driven them back-to-back, and I can report that yup, they're different.

I just thought you'd like to know.

BTW, for you those of you arguing with benefit of short memory: Didn't the Audi Quattros get banned from Trans Am and European sedan racing because they were killing their fwd and rwd competitors?

 

That's right. The same thing happened here with the Audis, even though they were forced to carry more weight they were so unbeatable they got banned, and the Skyline GTRs in another series, which eventually got up to 1600kg before they were banned. Nothing could catch them!

AWD all the way, all things being equal. Why do you think it's banned in F1?