that's my point John. i trust them all as well, and yet they've tied into both sets of wires. if i had to guess (and this is my personal guess), one of those wires is the actual door trigger, and one is related to some other door open related function in the keyless entry module. perhaps dome light? not sure. i'd like to check tho.

and the wiring listout that i pulled? it didn't come from Shifty, but from some other random 'how do i install an alarm' post. i still feel fairly confident that it was a DEI listing. it looked 100% copy and pasted.


in the end though? i have to agree... whether intended or not, Shifty came off like an arrogant ass. and when backed into a corner, he barked even more without a real bite... i have a suspicion about that too... i'm thinking... less than 23? heh, full of piss and vinegar.
if nothing else? i think with a honest apology and a more straight forward, less approach... he actually might even fit in. of course some of the soil has already been salted.


*sigh*
i'd also agree that some of the old tight knit group feeling has faded... the car is getting older, and the demographic is shifting... of course, some of these more recent conflict based events have all been just over the course of a month or so... maybe this is a passing cloud. it could easily clear up and go back to being homelike again.

 

We can check it out on saturday. I'll try and remember my meter.


[QUOTE] i think with a honest apology and a more straight forward, less approach...

 

I appreciate all the responses. It helped tremendously, although I made a boo boo when doing this and should've read it before attempting it. While all the other honda's are negative trigger, I wouldn't expect a 5 wire reverse polarity in a Honda, since they are mostly found in older Fords, which is why I doubted it in the first place. I used the door lock 451 which is a double relay pack and wired it like a 5 wire system, with 30 going out to the motor side, and 87a going back to the keyless entry module. Somehow I accidently hit the remote on the stock alarm, and I can no longer hear the relays on the keyless entry module (let this be a lesson to be learned!). I should left the fuse out of 87 for safety reasons. I unplugged the 87a side and left the 30 output to the motor side. The keyless entry works with the aftermarket but the stock alarm system is a gonner. I did the whole nine on this car, back up battery, back up siren, proximity sensor, trunk release, audio sensor, and was thinking of wiring a secondary starter kill on the cruise control button.

 

PJK3

remember:

Green/yellow IS NOT the door trigger, its for the dome lights...but can also be used for a door trigger as the dome lights turn on when the doors are opened anyhow.

Black/white is the TRUE door trigger, like Ive said all along.

Pins 11 and 12 on your schematic are actually the neg. trigger lock and unlock. Just need some terminated wires that match the others in the plug and snap them in place.

Open slot closest to red/white is lock, the other is unlock.

Boy oh boy...cant wait for the results...

Pm me if you need any help metering the wires or if you have any questions.

Seriously.

 

If you still need help, I have a Word document I created years back when I installed several IntelliGuard alarms. It shows all of the wires in color, along with the necessary changes from DEI's listing (yes, EVERYONE makes mistakes, even the vaunted DEI).

 

Yes, DEI has some flaws in there tech sheets, as does our CC tech sheets. Nobodies perfect, but they're close.

Thats why tech sheets are used as guides only and its up to the installer to locate and verify a circuit before any connections are made.

I have plenty of sheets from both companies in my personal tech sheet booklet with corrections on some vehicles.

DEI is welcome for any corrections an installer may have for a vehicle...you can submit your own info to them to update or fully correct any mistakes or inaccurate info.

 

mine are wired up reversing polarity @ the module but if the other guys say neg @ the other harness then im sure they both work.

 

Could it be we don't believe in them because they make mistakes that don't get corrected for years, if at all? Shall I grab more quotes from prior posts about how you think DEI fact sheets are correct? Then to top it off, we have CC install techs saying "I didn't screw up your car, I followed exactly what the DEI sheet said..."

You better believe I'm double-checking everything on those sheets...

 

as you should, because at the bottom of every single tech sheet is a disclaimer pretty much summed up as it is the sole responsibility of the installer to verify each circuit before making any connections. They also go on to say that they offer no warranty or representation to the accuracy of the sheet.

They are to be used as a guide only. Its much easier to look at a reference then to dig around and possibly spend hours searching for a wire.

Everybody makes mistakes, no matter where you work. Those who dont properly verify what a wire does before making any connections should probably find another field to work in.

 

if you didn't note Wisconsin's application for this tie in, it was for floor lighting (ala neon/LED).

honestly? a green/yellow tie in might be more appropriate for him anyway over just a standard door trigger.


just a thought if my suspicions prove true.