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Old May 18, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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Hi,

Hope this isn't a stupid question...

I was just thinking the other day, for those of us who have no rear speakers, is it better to set the fade all the way to the front?

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Old May 18, 2005 | 08:26 AM
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No...it wont do anything. Fade at 0 (100% rear and 100% front) is the same in an s2000 as fade to front (100% front 0% rear)
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Old May 18, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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[QUOTE=NFRs2000NYC,May 18 2005, 12:26 PM]No...it wont do anything.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 11:40 PM
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I meant 50/50

I am 99% sure.....with no rear speakers

50/50=100/0
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Old May 19, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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In a normal car, when you fade to front, the volume in the rear decreases. The sound in the front stays the same. There probably isn't any difference in fading to front...
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Old May 19, 2005 | 12:25 PM
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Can you really have 100% front and 100% rear?
yes you can!

Dave was completely right at first.

when the fader is set dead center, you get 100% signal sent to the front and 100% sent to the rear. when you tinker w/ the fader, you only reduce the signal sent... you're not sending the leftover reserves elsewhere. the internals just aren't wired that way. (at least of no system i've ever seen in my entire life...)
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Old May 19, 2005 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PJK3,May 19 2005, 12:25 PM
yes you can!

Dave was completely right at first.

when the fader is set dead center, you get 100% signal sent to the front and 100% sent to the rear. when you tinker w/ the fader, you only reduce the signal sent... you're not sending the leftover reserves elsewhere. the internals just aren't wired that way. (at least of no system i've ever seen in my entire life...)
Thanks, PJK3. That's good to know. In other words, fading to the rear really means attenuating the front, and vice versa?

I use the fader to control the relative levels of my comps up front and my Aura shakers (some day to be replaced with a real subwoofer) in the rear.
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Old May 19, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PJK3,May 19 2005, 04:25 PM
yes you can!

Dave was completely right at first.

when the fader is set dead center, you get 100% signal sent to the front and 100% sent to the rear. when you tinker w/ the fader, you only reduce the signal sent... you're not sending the leftover reserves elsewhere. the internals just aren't wired that way. (at least of no system i've ever seen in my entire life...)
Yeah, I went and checked, and at 100% at the front and exactly in the middle, it sounds the same.

I didn't quite understand your explanation though. So when it's 3/4 from the front (or rear), what are the percentages?

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Old May 20, 2005 | 06:17 AM
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In other words, fading to the rear really means attenuating the front, and vice versa?
EXACTLY.


Yeah, I went and checked, and at 100% at the front and exactly in the middle, it sounds the same.

I didn't quite understand your explanation though. So when it's 3/4 from the front (or rear), what are the percentages?

Jean
when it's 3/4 from the front or rear? i have no idea. that would be dependant upon the manufacturer and possibly even the model of HU.

however, think of it this way... (this is an analogy to help you understand... but it is still completely an analogy, so don't draw too many conclusions from it.)

the fader is like 2 volume knobs in 1. when the fader is set at dead center, both front and rear outputs are at their max volume. when you dial forward, you are effectively 'turning down the volume' in the rears, but since the fronts were already at full volume, they get no louder. and vice versa when fading to the rear.


now, that analogy breaks down in a ton of ways, but dierk's comment is 100% correct. the fader is an attenuation control. fading forward, attenuates the rear and vice versa.
a balance control typically works in the same exact way.

now what the attenuation levels, percentages, and such are all dependant on how the manufacturer has it designed. is it a linear decrease? exponential? logarithmic? polynomial? i have no clue. i would suspect that most are either exponential or linear, but that's a flat out WAG. Dan might have a better idea on this one due to his time spent in the industry.

hope this helps.
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Old May 20, 2005 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PJK3,May 20 2005, 10:17 AM
the fader is like 2 volume knobs in 1. when the fader is set at dead center, both front and rear outputs are at their max volume. when you dial forward, you are effectively 'turning down the volume' in the rears, but since the fronts were already at full volume, they get no louder. and vice versa when fading to the rear.
I see...

So basically, there are three settings that are known:

All the way to the front: 100/0
All the way to the rear: 0/100
In the middle: 100/100

So really, if you only have front speakers, putting it anywhere between the the front and middle will result in the full volume at the front.

This is all really interesting. I assume it's similar with the balance too?

Jean
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