My ICE Project
Originally Posted by Kodokan_4' date='Feb 6 2005, 06:54 PM
I had to change the subwoofer selection. Wlaurent said the AW1000Q won't fit in the speaker enclosures.
Are 2 lower powered subs better than 1 higher powered one? (See above)
-Pete
Are 2 lower powered subs better than 1 higher powered one? (See above)
-Pete

Originally Posted by Will' date='Feb 6 2005, 10:17 PM
I really fail to see how you (or anyone) could possibly want or need more than 400w going to your sub... in the S2k. Also consider the weight penalty. Save the dual sub setup for the Escalade, dude. 


Pete, I'm running two 8" subs at 350 watts each for exactly the opposite reason that was posted above. There is a considerable weight savings if you get the right subs (two eights weighs less, in general, than an equivalent twelve inch sub). You'll also get more accurate bass that is generally tighter and more musical. I highly recommend considering two WLAurent enclosures. Try checking out the new eD sub that he sells for his enclosures.
Second, what's the RMS power rating for those rear speakers? 150 watts seems too high for anything but MB Quarts and Focals

Finally, I agree with Dave in that you should look for one four way amp for the speakers and one two way amp for the subs or mono amp for a single sub. A single four way sub will make your HU's fader and balance work easier. In my experience, two amps for speakers doesn't always work well when you are trying to do fine tuning on your sound positioning.
Originally Posted by flitcroft' date='Feb 7 2005, 09:08 AM
Pete, I'm running two 8" subs at 350 watts each for exactly the opposite reason that was posted above. There is a considerable weight savings if you get the right subs (two eights weighs less, in general, than an equivalent twelve inch sub). You'll also get more accurate bass that is generally tighter and more musical. I highly recommend considering two WLAurent enclosures. Try checking out the new eD sub that he sells for his enclosures.
Second, what's the RMS power rating for those rear speakers? 150 watts seems too high for anything but MB Quarts and Focals
Finally, I agree with Dave in that you should look for one four way amp for the speakers and one two way amp for the subs or mono amp for a single sub. A single four way sub will make your HU's fader and balance work easier. In my experience, two amps for speakers doesn't always work well when you are trying to do fine tuning on your sound positioning.
Second, what's the RMS power rating for those rear speakers? 150 watts seems too high for anything but MB Quarts and Focals

Finally, I agree with Dave in that you should look for one four way amp for the speakers and one two way amp for the subs or mono amp for a single sub. A single four way sub will make your HU's fader and balance work easier. In my experience, two amps for speakers doesn't always work well when you are trying to do fine tuning on your sound positioning.
(1) Sub: AW100T (400W RMS/800W peak) + Amp: A18001DT (600W x1)
OR
(2) Subs: AW100T (400W RMS/800W peak) + Amp: A1504DP (300W x2)
I would like to use one amp for the front and rear speakers, but I think the speakers require too much juice. The 4 speakers in the door (2 mids/2 tweets) will take 170W each, so I found one amp that puts out 150Wx4.
The rear speakers are also high power and are rated at 300W peak, so they should be 150W RMS. The amp for those puts out 150W x2.
None of the amps will max out the speakers, and I can't find an amp strong enough to power the 6 cabin speakers (at least not one that will fit into the S).
I hope it's not too difficult to install/tune 3 amps vs 2.
-Pete
Have you looked at the Soundstream Van Gogh 500.4? It's 125 watts RMS x 4? That's the perfect amount of power for the MB Quarts and it fits fine. Pikkashoe runs that amp and loves it. Trust me, there are many good amps that produce 600 watts RMS 
Why would you add $36 rear speakers on top of $1400 MSRP front components? That probably will hurt your overall sound quality. Plus, $36 speakers will not take 150 watts of RMS power, guaranteed. They're either going to suffer in sound quality or just malfunction with that much current.
What makes you want the Audiobahn subs? I just haven't heard many good things about them for this level of gear. I'd check out the eD subs, Alumapros, and JL before I would look at Audiobahn. And for no amount of money would I want a paper cone on a sub. That's just personal perference
Have you seen this eD one? It's a small enclosure sub with a big punch:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/11ov2_spec.htm
The reason I can get great sound in two tiny subs is that the subs I run have really long travel (excursion). The one above is similar, but less extreme (it has more square inches to push air so it doesn't need to have so much excursion).

Why would you add $36 rear speakers on top of $1400 MSRP front components? That probably will hurt your overall sound quality. Plus, $36 speakers will not take 150 watts of RMS power, guaranteed. They're either going to suffer in sound quality or just malfunction with that much current.
What makes you want the Audiobahn subs? I just haven't heard many good things about them for this level of gear. I'd check out the eD subs, Alumapros, and JL before I would look at Audiobahn. And for no amount of money would I want a paper cone on a sub. That's just personal perference

Have you seen this eD one? It's a small enclosure sub with a big punch:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/11ov2_spec.htm
The reason I can get great sound in two tiny subs is that the subs I run have really long travel (excursion). The one above is similar, but less extreme (it has more square inches to push air so it doesn't need to have so much excursion).
Originally Posted by flitcroft' date='Feb 7 2005, 01:07 PM
Have you looked at the Soundstream Van Gogh 500.4? It's 125 watts RMS x 4? That's the perfect amount of power for the MB Quarts and it fits fine. Pikkashoe runs that amp and loves it. Trust me, there are many good amps that produce 600 watts RMS 

Soundstream Van Gogh 500.4:
Originally Posted by flitcroft' date='Feb 7 2005, 01:07 PM
What makes you want the Audiobahn subs? I just haven't heard many good things about them for this level of gear. I'd check out the eD subs, Alumapros, and JL before I would look at Audiobahn. And for no amount of money would I want a paper cone on a sub. That's just personal perference 
Have you seen this eD one? It's a small enclosure sub with a big punch:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/11ov2_spec.htm

Have you seen this eD one? It's a small enclosure sub with a big punch:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/11ov2_spec.htm
The one you linked to is an 8" sub with 450W RMS.
The one I selected is a 10" sub with 400W RMS/800 peak power.
I selected it because it is one of the few 10" subs that meets the requirements for the wlaurent subwoofer enclosures. The Alumapros and JL subs need a much bigger enclosure. The eD 10" sub is only 350W RMS.
-Pete
Originally Posted by flitcroft' date='Feb 7 2005, 01:07 PM
Why would you add $36 rear speakers on top of $1400 MSRP front components? That probably will hurt your overall sound quality. Plus, $36 speakers will not take 150 watts of RMS power, guaranteed. They're either going to suffer in sound quality or just malfunction with that much current.
I can put the same wattage through these as the Quarts. Since they are rated for 300W peak power, I don't think I'll blow them with 150W. Even if I do, they're cheap, so it's no big loss.
I may go for less power and better quality for the rear speakers, but I'll have to do more research.
-Pete



