---------> Please don't post incorrect "facts"
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Originally Posted by darkknight1999,Mar 15 2005, 10:25 PM
We should have our own library for people to look though.
But people want to ask us, and that's fine. I think it's pretty easy for us to kindly let those Ministers Of MisInformation know what's up. It's easy to do a google search and post your findings. Let the facts speak for themselves, name calling just ads fuel to the fire. A philosophy professor taught me to attack the argument, not the person; a personal attack is the admission of defeat.
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Originally Posted by darkknight1999,Mar 15 2005, 07:25 PM
We should have our own library for people to look though.
http://s2000library.com
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Originally Posted by PAS2KNut,Mar 15 2005, 10:07 PM
I'm all ears if someone has an idea on how we can clean these issues up.
1- The sticky FAQ is a great place to point to someone that needs a factual answer (e.g. to equestions like "what size speaker can I fit in the door?"). If the answer is there, one of the mods (or anyone) can simply point the guy to the FAQ instead of answering the same question over and over again. If it's a new question, the FAQ can be updated after answering the question.
2- It would help if the search feature was user friendly. I've been here for years and still find it difficult to search for things that I know are there. One way to help people new to s2ki is to do the search for them and post a link with the search results. This does not require much time or research, you're simple helping the guy use the search to locate previous posts on the subject.
By doing these things, you will avoid unnecessary new debates and wasted bandwidth.
PS: It would also help if people stopped comparing apples and oranges.
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Originally Posted by mas,Mar 15 2005, 07:51 PM
Well, here's what I would suggest:
1- The sticky FAQ is a great place to point to someone that needs a factual answer (e.g. to equestions like "what size speaker can I fit in the door?"). If the answer is there, one of the mods (or anyone) can simply point the guy to the FAQ instead of answering the same question over and over again. If it's a new question, the FAQ can be updated after answering the question.
2- It would help if the search feature was user friendly. I've been here for years and still find it difficult to search for things that I know are there. One way to help people new to s2ki is to do the search for them and post a link with the search results. This does not require much time or research, you're simple helping the guy use the search to locate previous posts on the subject.
By doing these things, you will avoid unnecessary new debates and wasted bandwidth.
PS: It would also help if people stopped comparing apples and oranges.
1- The sticky FAQ is a great place to point to someone that needs a factual answer (e.g. to equestions like "what size speaker can I fit in the door?"). If the answer is there, one of the mods (or anyone) can simply point the guy to the FAQ instead of answering the same question over and over again. If it's a new question, the FAQ can be updated after answering the question.
2- It would help if the search feature was user friendly. I've been here for years and still find it difficult to search for things that I know are there. One way to help people new to s2ki is to do the search for them and post a link with the search results. This does not require much time or research, you're simple helping the guy use the search to locate previous posts on the subject.
By doing these things, you will avoid unnecessary new debates and wasted bandwidth.
PS: It would also help if people stopped comparing apples and oranges.
What do you mean by your P.S.? Do you have an example? In this thread or in general?
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Originally Posted by flitcroft,Mar 15 2005, 10:12 PM
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Q: What size speakers can I put in my 2003 S2000?
A: The doors take only 4" speakers.
This is wrong. The doors take 6.5" speakers (Euro size, or whatever). The answer above is unquestionably wrong and can never be correct. It should not be posted. The second poster should A) either go to Google or the S2KI FAQs and look up the correct answer before posting B) do not post or at worst C) write "I think the doors take only 4" speakers but I could be wrong."
The first reply should never be posted and option C) should rarely be posted. If a poster needs a bump let him/her rephrase his/her question so it rises back to the top.
Q: What size speakers can I put in my 2003 S2000?
A: The doors take only 4" speakers.
This is wrong. The doors take 6.5" speakers (Euro size, or whatever). The answer above is unquestionably wrong and can never be correct. It should not be posted. The second poster should A) either go to Google or the S2KI FAQs and look up the correct answer before posting B) do not post or at worst C) write "I think the doors take only 4" speakers but I could be wrong."
The first reply should never be posted and option C) should rarely be posted. If a poster needs a bump let him/her rephrase his/her question so it rises back to the top.
Sorry just stirring the pot a bit! :flamesuitON!: 
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^ Aha! It's a mid, which explains why a 7" fits (they're usually not as deep). Any of the 7" woofers I looked at were so deep they needed a spacer ring, and once they were spaced enough to clear the glass the front of the driver hit the door panel. You probably could have done a dremmel job on the back of the panel but I decided it wasn't worth it and traded them for the 6.5's.
Back on topic - Nice idea, and a good one for discussion. This stuff goes on at all the forums. People think what they've heard or been told or seen elsewhere many times must be factual, so they are pleased to be able to spread the information around. Half the car-heads on the planet "know" that torque is what accounts for accelleration and horsepower is what accounts for top speed. Unfortunately they're wrong, but that doesn't stop them from posting the "facts" every time they get a chance.
I usually try to differentiate between fact and opinion when I post, and I'm quick to correct others on fine points that might lead the less experienced astray. But I'm sure I've made my fair share of boo-boos. Probably not recently because I've not been very active on the boards the last few months.
The question is, what do we "do" about it? Provide the moderators with a special smilie that indicates "Hey guys, this is opinion NOT fact"? Who determines if it's factual or not? Consensus?
One of the suggestions is to do an Internet search to verify facts before or after a post is made. That's not a bad idea, but the Internet is full of "non facts". I recently got an email from my Dad explaining the origin of the phrase "Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey". If you do a search, you'll find sites that will "verify" the explanation of brass monkey's being canonball holders on old ships, where during cold weather the brass would shrink more than the iron cannonballs and the balls would fall off the holders. But it's all totally bogus. Once you do some serious research you'll find Naval Historians that refute every bit of it, right down to drawings of real cannonball holders. In addition, if you lookup the expansion rates of metals you'll find the difference between brass and iron to be so small that even a 100 degree temperature differntial won't cause a tenth of an inch expansion change.
I don't know what the answer is to getting a handle on non-factual posts, but I kind of like the "fact or opinion" stamp idea. It's generic enough to (hopefully) not be taken personally but still get the message across.
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Back on topic - Nice idea, and a good one for discussion. This stuff goes on at all the forums. People think what they've heard or been told or seen elsewhere many times must be factual, so they are pleased to be able to spread the information around. Half the car-heads on the planet "know" that torque is what accounts for accelleration and horsepower is what accounts for top speed. Unfortunately they're wrong, but that doesn't stop them from posting the "facts" every time they get a chance.
I usually try to differentiate between fact and opinion when I post, and I'm quick to correct others on fine points that might lead the less experienced astray. But I'm sure I've made my fair share of boo-boos. Probably not recently because I've not been very active on the boards the last few months.
The question is, what do we "do" about it? Provide the moderators with a special smilie that indicates "Hey guys, this is opinion NOT fact"? Who determines if it's factual or not? Consensus?
One of the suggestions is to do an Internet search to verify facts before or after a post is made. That's not a bad idea, but the Internet is full of "non facts". I recently got an email from my Dad explaining the origin of the phrase "Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey". If you do a search, you'll find sites that will "verify" the explanation of brass monkey's being canonball holders on old ships, where during cold weather the brass would shrink more than the iron cannonballs and the balls would fall off the holders. But it's all totally bogus. Once you do some serious research you'll find Naval Historians that refute every bit of it, right down to drawings of real cannonball holders. In addition, if you lookup the expansion rates of metals you'll find the difference between brass and iron to be so small that even a 100 degree temperature differntial won't cause a tenth of an inch expansion change.
I don't know what the answer is to getting a handle on non-factual posts, but I kind of like the "fact or opinion" stamp idea. It's generic enough to (hopefully) not be taken personally but still get the message across.
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Great points, Modifry. The other problem that this thread presents is that it creates a pseudo caste system (especially if we started a sig button that said "I'm an audio expert" or anything along those lines). I am aware of that, and cautious about it -- I think that would spoil some of the fun of the forum.
To elaborate a bit, there's a risk of creating an environment that a set of people have the "correct" answers while others do not. That causal relationship is false. That is, the person giving the advice is not the reason the answer is correct. However, there is likely a set of people that are a bit more cautious about what they post and take the time to look things up. Everyone will make mistakes. I was just trying to point out that people giving advice should be a bit more careful and clearly separate fact from opinion and if you don't know an answer simply don't post.
To elaborate a bit, there's a risk of creating an environment that a set of people have the "correct" answers while others do not. That causal relationship is false. That is, the person giving the advice is not the reason the answer is correct. However, there is likely a set of people that are a bit more cautious about what they post and take the time to look things up. Everyone will make mistakes. I was just trying to point out that people giving advice should be a bit more careful and clearly separate fact from opinion and if you don't know an answer simply don't post.