Garrett turbos not as good as the name?
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Garrett turbos not as good as the name?
Here is an email I recieved from a friend of mine... I don't know if it's
nessicarily true but take it with a grain of
salt and do your own research.
I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.
Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.
We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.
Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away
(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)
nessicarily true but take it with a grain of
salt and do your own research.
I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.
Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.
We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.
Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away
(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)
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Hello Chris,
I’m sorry, but I cannot comment on the situation right now. I hope that you will understand that in a time of internet forums, no response can be assumed to be an informal response.
I would hope that one post on a forum would not outweigh the last 50 years that we’ve spent designing, testing and building the highest quality turbos in the world.
Regards,
Garrett Gearhead
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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:40 AM
To: Garrett Gearhead
Subject: Re: Garett turbo problems
Does honeywell have any informal response right now, in interest of keeping a customer?
its a point to ponder, im going percision lol.
I’m sorry, but I cannot comment on the situation right now. I hope that you will understand that in a time of internet forums, no response can be assumed to be an informal response.
I would hope that one post on a forum would not outweigh the last 50 years that we’ve spent designing, testing and building the highest quality turbos in the world.
Regards,
Garrett Gearhead
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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:40 AM
To: Garrett Gearhead
Subject: Re: Garett turbo problems
Does honeywell have any informal response right now, in interest of keeping a customer?
its a point to ponder, im going percision lol.
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Do you really think precision turbo's are made in the US? The bottom line is Garrett makes the best product. With the new GTX it won't even be a subject of debate. Who knows who this guy really is, maybe a marketing agent for another turbo company? Some guy trying to sell Borg Warner turbos? I don't doubt Garrett has things made overseas (welcome to the global market) but that doesn't mean they are crap. There are statments in there that don't even make sense...
"Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo"
This in particular is a good thing, do you want more material on your turbo than you need? I personally think it's great they are doing that, the last thing I want is worthless weight on my turbo.
Garrett has been constantly innovating not going backwards. They have come out with carbon seals for their turbo's, completely reinvented the wheel (literally), and now with them and TiAL working together there is really no competition. There is a reason Garrett has won every single LeMans race for the last 11 years; they make power and they do it reliably.
"Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo"
This in particular is a good thing, do you want more material on your turbo than you need? I personally think it's great they are doing that, the last thing I want is worthless weight on my turbo.
Garrett has been constantly innovating not going backwards. They have come out with carbon seals for their turbo's, completely reinvented the wheel (literally), and now with them and TiAL working together there is really no competition. There is a reason Garrett has won every single LeMans race for the last 11 years; they make power and they do it reliably.
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I found this link related to Honeywell Turbo Technologies:
http://honeywellbooster.com/
I also went to Honeywell.com, then Transportations Systems under Industries and Technology. Then clicked on Turbo Technologies. If you make your way to their worldwide locations:
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Mexicali, Mexico
Torrance, CA
Plymouth, MI
New South Wales, Australia
Shanghai, China
Pune, India
Tokyo, Japan
Kodama, Japan
Seoul, South Korea
Kyunggi-Do, South Korea
Brno, Czech Republic
Thaon-les-Vosges, France
Waterford, Ireland
Piazzano di Atessa, Italy
Bucharest, Romania
Rolle, Switzerland
Cheshire, United Kingdom
So.... uh.... they're kinda Global. I bet Borg Warner is too. People should really research before jumping to conclusions.
A cut and paste from their Facts and Figures:
Facts and Figures
Honeywell Turbo Technologies is organized around the Passenger Vehicles and Commercial Vehicles businesses, and is headquartered in Morges, Switzerland.
It is a global organization operating in 3 regions and at more than 20 locations across the world - all share a culture founded on technological excellence, a commitment to quality and customer service.
The company produced close to 9 million turbos in 2006 for automotive applications in every corner of the world.
More than 60% of global sales in 2006 were made in Europe.
The organization is driven by quality – of product, of processes and in customer relationships - and is developing a quality culture utilizing business improvement tools such as Six Sigma.
The company has engineering centers in US, France, United Kingdom, Japan and China, and operates manufacturing plants in France, Italy, United Kingdom, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, Korea, Japan and China.
The company is currently expanding in China, India and Eastern Europe.
http://honeywellbooster.com/
I also went to Honeywell.com, then Transportations Systems under Industries and Technology. Then clicked on Turbo Technologies. If you make your way to their worldwide locations:
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Mexicali, Mexico
Torrance, CA
Plymouth, MI
New South Wales, Australia
Shanghai, China
Pune, India
Tokyo, Japan
Kodama, Japan
Seoul, South Korea
Kyunggi-Do, South Korea
Brno, Czech Republic
Thaon-les-Vosges, France
Waterford, Ireland
Piazzano di Atessa, Italy
Bucharest, Romania
Rolle, Switzerland
Cheshire, United Kingdom
So.... uh.... they're kinda Global. I bet Borg Warner is too. People should really research before jumping to conclusions.
A cut and paste from their Facts and Figures:
Facts and Figures
Honeywell Turbo Technologies is organized around the Passenger Vehicles and Commercial Vehicles businesses, and is headquartered in Morges, Switzerland.
It is a global organization operating in 3 regions and at more than 20 locations across the world - all share a culture founded on technological excellence, a commitment to quality and customer service.
The company produced close to 9 million turbos in 2006 for automotive applications in every corner of the world.
More than 60% of global sales in 2006 were made in Europe.
The organization is driven by quality – of product, of processes and in customer relationships - and is developing a quality culture utilizing business improvement tools such as Six Sigma.
The company has engineering centers in US, France, United Kingdom, Japan and China, and operates manufacturing plants in France, Italy, United Kingdom, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, Korea, Japan and China.
The company is currently expanding in China, India and Eastern Europe.