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Originally Posted by mattie170' timestamp='1435735500' post='23666443
Let's clear some of this up.
The first engine was brought down without being run for Gary to put the motec ecu on it and get it running. When he first fired it up he said to me it sounded like it had a little piston slap and thought it was smoking. He spent more time on it and it only confirmed what he thought and told glen the engine needed to come out to check it as something was wrong for it so be smoking. There are pictures around of the state of the first engine, I saw this with my own eyes and you could see det pitting on some pistons and damage on top of one piston, the head gasket had also started leaking in to the water jacket. This is when glen got a second hand engine and that was installed so he could use it.
I sent the engine back to America under instructions from Fernado, I asked what price he wanted putting on it for insurance and he said $500 or something close to that. I wasn't comfortable with that but be it on his head. Fed ex managed to put a forklift truck fork in to the block somewhere on its trip across and now Fernando had really f@#ked up as he hadn't put a big enough insurance amount on it. After hours of him and me being on the phone (as it was sent from the UK the claim had to be raised in the UK) Fernado was paid out $3500 to put right the damage.
The engine was set about being redone and Fernado had almost all his costs covered luckily, when the engine was ready to come back Glen found out Fernando's engine builder had used the same piston's that has the marks and damage on and which were smoking in the original engine(even if Fernando didn't want to pay for a new set of Pistons whilst he was offering the valve upgrade he could of offered a new set of pistons). So by this point it was too late and it was coming back to the UK. Glen got it back and swapped engine over, he brought it back down on the transporter so Gary could get it running. Once it first started the piston slap as Gary said is the worst he has ever heard. Whilst mapping it so glen could do the running in miles he said it was well down on power compared to the stock engine. Glen then transported it back and starting putting some miles on it.
Two week ago glen came down with the car to get it mapped for full power, the engine at wastegate pressure was almost 100hp down on a stock 2l engine. The dipstick kept blowing out, we got the boost up to 1.3 bar and it blew the dipstick out again with a load of oil all over the bonnet and windscreen (and I got some on me as I was standing next to it). At this point Gary wasn't prepared to go any further as it is a danger and if he had pushed it it would of likely let go at some point. The engine sounds rough due to the awful piston slap, doing a compression test and leak down test will only tell you the extent of the leaking as blowing oil out the dipstick hole tells you it's seriously getting past the piston's.
So we are up to date now and I hope it clears this up for everyone.
Bare in mind my car I have run 2bar of boost on a built engine and my dipstick doesn't pop out and oil doesn't squirt out. Also my 9.4:1 built engine makes the same power as my stock 11:1 engine did at wastegate pressure.
I truly feel sorry for Glen as he has been let down badly by a company that promotes themselves as being the best and fastest in the world but it seems they may only be the best and fastest for a very very short time before it goes pop and bang.
Edit: Just a note which I forgot to say this time(2weeks ago) is the first time it has been driven down here and the engine has always been run with a correct map on it.
The first engine was brought down without being run for Gary to put the motec ecu on it and get it running. When he first fired it up he said to me it sounded like it had a little piston slap and thought it was smoking. He spent more time on it and it only confirmed what he thought and told glen the engine needed to come out to check it as something was wrong for it so be smoking. There are pictures around of the state of the first engine, I saw this with my own eyes and you could see det pitting on some pistons and damage on top of one piston, the head gasket had also started leaking in to the water jacket. This is when glen got a second hand engine and that was installed so he could use it.
I sent the engine back to America under instructions from Fernado, I asked what price he wanted putting on it for insurance and he said $500 or something close to that. I wasn't comfortable with that but be it on his head. Fed ex managed to put a forklift truck fork in to the block somewhere on its trip across and now Fernando had really f@#ked up as he hadn't put a big enough insurance amount on it. After hours of him and me being on the phone (as it was sent from the UK the claim had to be raised in the UK) Fernado was paid out $3500 to put right the damage.
The engine was set about being redone and Fernado had almost all his costs covered luckily, when the engine was ready to come back Glen found out Fernando's engine builder had used the same piston's that has the marks and damage on and which were smoking in the original engine(even if Fernando didn't want to pay for a new set of Pistons whilst he was offering the valve upgrade he could of offered a new set of pistons). So by this point it was too late and it was coming back to the UK. Glen got it back and swapped engine over, he brought it back down on the transporter so Gary could get it running. Once it first started the piston slap as Gary said is the worst he has ever heard. Whilst mapping it so glen could do the running in miles he said it was well down on power compared to the stock engine. Glen then transported it back and starting putting some miles on it.
Two week ago glen came down with the car to get it mapped for full power, the engine at wastegate pressure was almost 100hp down on a stock 2l engine. The dipstick kept blowing out, we got the boost up to 1.3 bar and it blew the dipstick out again with a load of oil all over the bonnet and windscreen (and I got some on me as I was standing next to it). At this point Gary wasn't prepared to go any further as it is a danger and if he had pushed it it would of likely let go at some point. The engine sounds rough due to the awful piston slap, doing a compression test and leak down test will only tell you the extent of the leaking as blowing oil out the dipstick hole tells you it's seriously getting past the piston's.
So we are up to date now and I hope it clears this up for everyone.
Bare in mind my car I have run 2bar of boost on a built engine and my dipstick doesn't pop out and oil doesn't squirt out. Also my 9.4:1 built engine makes the same power as my stock 11:1 engine did at wastegate pressure.
I truly feel sorry for Glen as he has been let down badly by a company that promotes themselves as being the best and fastest in the world but it seems they may only be the best and fastest for a very very short time before it goes pop and bang.
Edit: Just a note which I forgot to say this time(2weeks ago) is the first time it has been driven down here and the engine has always been run with a correct map on it.
He then drove the car for 1100 odd miles on a base map tune with an engine with piston slap but mentions that nowhere in his build thread or anywhere else?
I'm really trying to understand all this, but what's being said now is not what was said previously in the build thread or elsewhere.
Hope that clears it all up.
Also another note is Fernando said the reason the first engine failed was due to the engine standing there for a year....Gary fitted and tuned a Nissan 200sx Tomei built engine that had been sitting in the uk for 10 years with out being turned over. With only oiling the cams (and priming the oil system obviously) it ran and is still running with no issues. That was 18 months ago. It was simply a badly built engine to start with and when he had a chance to put it right(which insurance paid for most of it) he failed again.
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Did you contact Kings the moment piston slap was noticed?
I'm no pro but I would of stopped here and popped the head off to inspect the bottom end. If you had piston slap on the first tune, why the hell would you continue to tune it? It's not going to go away or work itself out.
I'm no pro but I would of stopped here and popped the head off to inspect the bottom end. If you had piston slap on the first tune, why the hell would you continue to tune it? It's not going to go away or work itself out.
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Thanks for clearing that up Matt.
Sam Im sorry to have to say this but you are really beginning to irritate me,I've told you again and again and again and again what procedures I took with the new built engine,exactly the same procedures I'll take the next time.
Look into my build thread and see what I put about the first engine failure......it had issues and Fernando has agreed to take it back,no description no photos.
When the car first started it was noisy but they all do that sir,when I got it outside of my garage it was more pronounced.I wasn't sure what the noise was and as I hadn't heard a failed tct it could have been that.
I didn't post it all over my build thread because A,I wasn't sure what the noise was andB,I hadent spoken to Fernando about it.
When it was confirmed as piston slap by Gary I then told Fernando and got the response Matty mentioned above.
I've got a strange feeling that you've got a vested interest in trying to trip me up over this.you keep going over and over the same f**+*ing questions.as I've said this engine is being rebuilt over here so neither you or Fernando need to worry about that.
Sam Im sorry to have to say this but you are really beginning to irritate me,I've told you again and again and again and again what procedures I took with the new built engine,exactly the same procedures I'll take the next time.
Look into my build thread and see what I put about the first engine failure......it had issues and Fernando has agreed to take it back,no description no photos.
When the car first started it was noisy but they all do that sir,when I got it outside of my garage it was more pronounced.I wasn't sure what the noise was and as I hadn't heard a failed tct it could have been that.
I didn't post it all over my build thread because A,I wasn't sure what the noise was andB,I hadent spoken to Fernando about it.
When it was confirmed as piston slap by Gary I then told Fernando and got the response Matty mentioned above.
I've got a strange feeling that you've got a vested interest in trying to trip me up over this.you keep going over and over the same f**+*ing questions.as I've said this engine is being rebuilt over here so neither you or Fernando need to worry about that.
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Did you contact Kings the moment piston slap was noticed?
I'm no pro but I would of stopped here and popped the head off to inspect the bottom end. If you had piston slap on the first tune, why the hell would you continue to tune it? It's not going to go away or work itself out.
I'm no pro but I would of stopped here and popped the head off to inspect the bottom end. If you had piston slap on the first tune, why the hell would you continue to tune it? It's not going to go away or work itself out.
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Thanks for clearing that up Matt.
Sam Im sorry to have to say this but you are really beginning to irritate me,I've told you again and again and again and again what procedures I took with the new built engine,exactly the same procedures I'll take the next time.
Look into my build thread and see what I put about the first engine failure......it had issues and Fernando has agreed to take it back,no description no photos.
When the car first started it was noisy but they all do that sir,when I got it outside of my garage it was more pronounced.I wasn't sure what the noise was and as I hadn't heard a failed tct it could have been that.
I didn't post it all over my build thread because A,I wasn't sure what the noise was andB,I hadent spoken to Fernando about it.
When it was confirmed as piston slap by Gary I then told Fernando and got the response Matty mentioned above.
I've got a strange feeling that you've got a vested interest in trying to trip me up over this.you keep going over and over the same f**+*ing questions.as I've said this engine is being rebuilt over here so neither you or Fernando need to worry about that.
Sam Im sorry to have to say this but you are really beginning to irritate me,I've told you again and again and again and again what procedures I took with the new built engine,exactly the same procedures I'll take the next time.
Look into my build thread and see what I put about the first engine failure......it had issues and Fernando has agreed to take it back,no description no photos.
When the car first started it was noisy but they all do that sir,when I got it outside of my garage it was more pronounced.I wasn't sure what the noise was and as I hadn't heard a failed tct it could have been that.
I didn't post it all over my build thread because A,I wasn't sure what the noise was andB,I hadent spoken to Fernando about it.
When it was confirmed as piston slap by Gary I then told Fernando and got the response Matty mentioned above.
I've got a strange feeling that you've got a vested interest in trying to trip me up over this.you keep going over and over the same f**+*ing questions.as I've said this engine is being rebuilt over here so neither you or Fernando need to worry about that.
I suppose my issue is, if there was piston slap when it was at the tuner the first time, why was nothing said to Fernando? If I had any notion that the newly received motor had an issue, I would've stopped what I was doing and got in touch with the supplier immediately. I wouldn't have had it tuned and then driven it for 1000+ miles.
I guess that's where I'm stuck. If there was an issue upon immediate start up, why was the car continued to run and driven?
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Originally Posted by mr-pitts' timestamp='1435758111' post='23666624
Thanks for clearing that up Matt.
Sam Im sorry to have to say this but you are really beginning to irritate me,I've told you again and again and again and again what procedures I took with the new built engine,exactly the same procedures I'll take the next time.
Look into my build thread and see what I put about the first engine failure......it had issues and Fernando has agreed to take it back,no description no photos.
When the car first started it was noisy but they all do that sir,when I got it outside of my garage it was more pronounced.I wasn't sure what the noise was and as I hadn't heard a failed tct it could have been that.
I didn't post it all over my build thread because A,I wasn't sure what the noise was andB,I hadent spoken to Fernando about it.
When it was confirmed as piston slap by Gary I then told Fernando and got the response Matty mentioned above.
I've got a strange feeling that you've got a vested interest in trying to trip me up over this.you keep going over and over the same f**+*ing questions.as I've said this engine is being rebuilt over here so neither you or Fernando need to worry about that.
Sam Im sorry to have to say this but you are really beginning to irritate me,I've told you again and again and again and again what procedures I took with the new built engine,exactly the same procedures I'll take the next time.
Look into my build thread and see what I put about the first engine failure......it had issues and Fernando has agreed to take it back,no description no photos.
When the car first started it was noisy but they all do that sir,when I got it outside of my garage it was more pronounced.I wasn't sure what the noise was and as I hadn't heard a failed tct it could have been that.
I didn't post it all over my build thread because A,I wasn't sure what the noise was andB,I hadent spoken to Fernando about it.
When it was confirmed as piston slap by Gary I then told Fernando and got the response Matty mentioned above.
I've got a strange feeling that you've got a vested interest in trying to trip me up over this.you keep going over and over the same f**+*ing questions.as I've said this engine is being rebuilt over here so neither you or Fernando need to worry about that.
I suppose my issue is, if there was piston slap when it was at the tuner the first time, why was nothing said to Fernando? If I had any notion that the newly received motor had an issue, I would've stopped what I was doing and got in touch with the supplier immediately. I wouldn't have had it tuned and then driven it for 1000+ miles.
I guess that's where I'm stuck. If there was an issue upon immediate start up, why was the car continued to run and driven?
As it says above in both my post and Glens post. HE WAS TOLD about the piston slap but he said that's how they build all their engines. Can't do any more than that. Glen had already paid Gary to pull one of Kings engines apart and didn't see why either Glen or Gary should have to do it again on something that is meant to be brand new engine.
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I'm with SlowTeg...if you are driving the car out of boost on a basemap for just a few miles and it is not pig rich then you are unlikely to hurt the engine. It does not matter if you have the biggest turbo ever created on there...even less likely to get into high load haha.
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