Looking for ideas (turbo vs supercharger)
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Originally Posted by DeadZero,May 27 2009, 10:48 PM
if your going to go turbo, its either... get a greddy and stay satisfied with about 300whp (dyno dynamic) cuz thats all you will get out of it. If you plan to get a better kit...inline pro...full race... be prepared to open your wallet but the potential amount of power you will make will be great.
Superchargers... if you want the low end grunt and a max of 380whp (dynopack) then get a KW s/c. KW maxes out at 10lbs of boost so keep that in mind. The sos kit so far can make about 18lbs i think... and can easily make 450+ (dynopack) you just won't get that little extra low-end torque that the kw provides but you will make more hp in the long run. Seriously do more searching..... because
this topic has been discussed Soooo many times now, even if you want to make your own thread, it has been done... it has been discussed...and all you need to do is search MORE and MORE and MORE because all the info. is on this website. i don't even ask questions anymore... i just search for it and its there. this website has been around for 9 years and NINE years of research and posted threads about supercharging and turbocharging the s2000 has been discussed.
do what you gotta do man but remember, its not just paying for s/c or turboing the car.... once you hit 300whp you will have to get a new clutch and engine managment and thats gonna be an additional 2 grand MINIMUM and thats if you get the good stuff... not some cheap crap.
...remember when thinking about saving money all your doing is delaying a problem that will HAVE TO BE solved later in life... its either go all-out with the costs now or deal with it again later because one-day.... YOU WILL BE BACK FOR MORE POWER!!! boost is addicting. it makes cigarettes or heroine look like a joke
Superchargers... if you want the low end grunt and a max of 380whp (dynopack) then get a KW s/c. KW maxes out at 10lbs of boost so keep that in mind. The sos kit so far can make about 18lbs i think... and can easily make 450+ (dynopack) you just won't get that little extra low-end torque that the kw provides but you will make more hp in the long run. Seriously do more searching..... because
this topic has been discussed Soooo many times now, even if you want to make your own thread, it has been done... it has been discussed...and all you need to do is search MORE and MORE and MORE because all the info. is on this website. i don't even ask questions anymore... i just search for it and its there. this website has been around for 9 years and NINE years of research and posted threads about supercharging and turbocharging the s2000 has been discussed.
do what you gotta do man but remember, its not just paying for s/c or turboing the car.... once you hit 300whp you will have to get a new clutch and engine managment and thats gonna be an additional 2 grand MINIMUM and thats if you get the good stuff... not some cheap crap.
...remember when thinking about saving money all your doing is delaying a problem that will HAVE TO BE solved later in life... its either go all-out with the costs now or deal with it again later because one-day.... YOU WILL BE BACK FOR MORE POWER!!! boost is addicting. it makes cigarettes or heroine look like a joke
What I am looking to learn from this thread is specifics of the kits involving my 5 points. Yes, I found some of that information in other threads, but most of that information was purely side effects of other discussions so it lacked details and broader considerations. Also, the other discussions are spanning many years and a lot of the information is out dated with modern knowledge from both experimentation and improved kit designs. Also, most of the information in those threads is much to the order of what you said as well as a lot of heresay and urban myths, etc. With this thread I am hoping more people can jump in with specific information revolving around my initial points.
I have experience with boosted cars, but this car isn't my track car, and I'm not looking for dyno bragging rights. I'm looking to build this car into a perfectly balanced car, something more like I think it should have been out of the factory.
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SOT/SXM roots blower FTW 
for your power requirements, SPECIFICALLY DYNO QUEEN, this is the blower for you.
8psi
11psi before water injection
before you say, wait, you made less power wiht more boost, the second dyno is dyno dynamics uncorrected....and know has heart breaker dyno for a reason. this particular one reads about 10% low. but, notice the grunt midrange
hit me up if you have any questions.
for your power requirements, SPECIFICALLY DYNO QUEEN, this is the blower for you.8psi
11psi before water injection
before you say, wait, you made less power wiht more boost, the second dyno is dyno dynamics uncorrected....and know has heart breaker dyno for a reason. this particular one reads about 10% low. but, notice the grunt midrange
hit me up if you have any questions.
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Originally Posted by casperiv,May 28 2009, 10:47 AM
Dyno queen certainly isn't the goal, but I do like the nice even power curves on the charts. What supporting mods are you running to produce those numbers? How is the drivability. The power delivery certainly looks predictable and smooth, hows reliability/complication of the system?
anywho, to answer your questions.
i have aem ems, berk header, 3" asura exhaust, water injection<not in any of those dynos>. bigger heat exchanger and extra fluid reservoir. that was for 11psi. blower is at top half of efficiency.
if you bought from sxm and wanted bolt on, they ship with 550 injectors and eman ult plug and play ready to rock. you just bolt evertyhing on , its complete.
i went with you tune kit cause i had aem ems and wanted mo powa. 315ish whp on 6psi. i made 350 with extra mods on 8psi. its a rippin ride. been very reliable. already have about 5k miles on the kit.
not really complicated to install. directions are easy and make sense. little more involved then SOS kit, but nothing hard.
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Originally Posted by camuman,May 28 2009, 08:01 AM
first, lemme add, 400+whp go inline pro equal length mani, fullrace, mase engineering turbo kit with gt30r sized turbo
anywho, to answer your questions.
i have aem ems, berk header, 3" asura exhaust, water injection<not in any of those dynos>. bigger heat exchanger and extra fluid reservoir. that was for 11psi. blower is at top half of efficiency.
if you bought from sxm and wanted bolt on, they ship with 550 injectors and eman ult plug and play ready to rock. you just bolt evertyhing on , its complete.
i went with you tune kit cause i had aem ems and wanted mo powa. 315ish whp on 6psi. i made 350 with extra mods on 8psi. its a rippin ride. been very reliable. already have about 5k miles on the kit.
not really complicated to install. directions are easy and make sense. little more involved then SOS kit, but nothing hard.
anywho, to answer your questions.
i have aem ems, berk header, 3" asura exhaust, water injection<not in any of those dynos>. bigger heat exchanger and extra fluid reservoir. that was for 11psi. blower is at top half of efficiency.
if you bought from sxm and wanted bolt on, they ship with 550 injectors and eman ult plug and play ready to rock. you just bolt evertyhing on , its complete.
i went with you tune kit cause i had aem ems and wanted mo powa. 315ish whp on 6psi. i made 350 with extra mods on 8psi. its a rippin ride. been very reliable. already have about 5k miles on the kit.
not really complicated to install. directions are easy and make sense. little more involved then SOS kit, but nothing hard.
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Originally Posted by casperiv,May 27 2009, 02:04 PM
After searching the site and reading a lot of different threads on the subject, I thought I would create my own.
I have been looking into different boost options for my 04 and am going back and fourth as far as what I am looking for, and was hoping you guys could help me make up my mind. Basically I want 300WHP+, still drivable, and dependable. Initially I was looking only at turbo systems because my other cars have all been turbo charged, but after reading through threads here and information on other sites, kits like the SoS supercharger started to gain my favor. The primary reason they appeal to me is because of the easy install, completeness of the kits, and their simplicity. This car isn't a race car, it's just my sporty weekend car that gets autocrossed/dragged sometimes for fun.
I layed out a list of what I was looking for an it's something like this:
1) 300WHP to 350WHP
2) Simplistic (for maintenance/install)
3) Drivable/raceable (no dyno queen power bands)
4) Reliable
5) Slight upgrade headroom (to find the right amount of power)
With these requirements I pretty much know that I won't be heading down the road of radical experimentation that I have with other cars in the past, so I need your guys input. What kind of kits would you recommend? For my needs should I be looking more at supercharger kits or turbo kits? Is there difference in power delivery different enough between the superchargers and the turbos to radically change the driving characteristics?
I have been looking into different boost options for my 04 and am going back and fourth as far as what I am looking for, and was hoping you guys could help me make up my mind. Basically I want 300WHP+, still drivable, and dependable. Initially I was looking only at turbo systems because my other cars have all been turbo charged, but after reading through threads here and information on other sites, kits like the SoS supercharger started to gain my favor. The primary reason they appeal to me is because of the easy install, completeness of the kits, and their simplicity. This car isn't a race car, it's just my sporty weekend car that gets autocrossed/dragged sometimes for fun.
I layed out a list of what I was looking for an it's something like this:
1) 300WHP to 350WHP
2) Simplistic (for maintenance/install)
3) Drivable/raceable (no dyno queen power bands)
4) Reliable
5) Slight upgrade headroom (to find the right amount of power)
With these requirements I pretty much know that I won't be heading down the road of radical experimentation that I have with other cars in the past, so I need your guys input. What kind of kits would you recommend? For my needs should I be looking more at supercharger kits or turbo kits? Is there difference in power delivery different enough between the superchargers and the turbos to radically change the driving characteristics?
Vortech's New Self Contained Non-intercooled kit
Ultimate Racing FMIC
K-Pro w/ WB and MAP
650CC Injectors
255LP Walbro
I am sure I will be crucified for mentioning it but the air to water IC has a long list of drawbacks and will not meet some of you criteria. The same can be said about the FMU or piggy back fuel system offered by them and all other SC manufacturers. There are other options like Kraftwerks and the Whipple but they do not fit what you are asking for. If you go turbo there is only one choice, Greddy but there is no upgrades without replacing the turbo.
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Originally Posted by Kermdaddy,May 28 2009, 09:49 AM
PM Mark (MugenRioS2K) for anything SOT related. Also website is www.staticxmotorsports.com
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Originally Posted by casperiv,May 27 2009, 05:04 PM
I layed out a list of what I was looking for an it's something like this:
1) 300WHP to 350WHP
2) Simplistic (for maintenance/install)
3) Drivable/raceable (no dyno queen power bands)
4) Reliable
5) Slight upgrade headroom (to find the right amount of power)
1) 300WHP to 350WHP
2) Simplistic (for maintenance/install)
3) Drivable/raceable (no dyno queen power bands)
4) Reliable
5) Slight upgrade headroom (to find the right amount of power)
1) base kit is $5k, for ap2 its ~315 hp
2) sounds like the easiest installation for any SC on the market
3) since its centrifugal all the power is at the top of the RPMs, so stock power down low, power boost up top when you want it, kind of like how it came from the factory
4) simple usually correlates well with reliable. owners of the SOS can comment here
5) check out their website, they have lots of upgradeable parts for their kit